Lithium batteries

worntorn said:
The Orthopedic Surgeon pointed me to a Mayo Clinic study of rotator cuff muscle reattachments in senior patients.
In the 70s and 80s it was common practice to surgically reattach all torn off shoulder muscles, even in 80+ year old patients. As he said " We thought we could fix everthing in everbody"
After awhile it was noticed that the failure rate was very high in older patients. It was nearly 100% in the over 80 year olds and close to 80% in my age group ( 69).
With the advent of MRI they were able to track the results and clearly see what was happening. The attachments were holding but the old tissue was letting go.
His age cut off for this type of reattachment is 55 years. He would do a complete artificial shoulder replacement for me if I was in constant pain, but I'm not. Even with the shoulder replacement they do not reattach the torn off muscles in old patients. So no strength would be gained, only possible mobility without strength.
I could throw both of my hands up when my team scores a goal I suppose, but I don't follow sports so that's not too important!
A friend in the US had this surgery done a couple of weeks ago and is currently in agony, so I think I'll hold off for now and work with what I've got. The recovery time for most types shoulder surgery tends to be quite long and painful from what I've read.
My bicep and tricep are intact so I can lift the same as ever in close to the body.
I can't swing my arm out to the side much, so I'll just turn the body instead.
I can still split firewood and shovel dirt or snow, just by reversing my normal grip.
It could be much worse, I could be in a wheelchair or dead.
Silver lining, the cow hit my head so hard that both hearing aids flew out, never to be found again.
$2800 later I have new hearing aids that work much better than the old ones ever did!

Glen
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It’s amazing what can be achieved through manipulation and alignment by a knowledgable practitioner Glen.

I’ve got an old reoccurring shoulder issue. But it’s pretty much kept at bay by my chiropractor. Her explanations about how the shoulder works, and what’s she’s doing, are fascinating.

A friend on the other hand, has had numerous injections and two operations, been through agony, repeated prolonged ‘down time’ and really hasn’t gained much. His isn’t an injury either, ‘just’ an age related ‘frozen shoulder’.

The shoulder is the most complex joint, held together by a complex grouping of overlaying muscles. When one muscle has an issue, the others often become inflamed and / or spasm to ‘protect’ the damaged muscle. Unfortunately, this ‘protection’ often becomes a worse issue. I think this is why skilful manipulation and alignment work works so well on the shoulder.

I’m not for a minute saying this would fix you back to 20 year old Glen, but it may be a none intrusive, agony free way to regain some of what you’ve lost.
 
I've been going to a very skilled physiotherapist since the accident happened. I suspect that her work is the main reason that I am not in pain and I have gained a lot of mobility.
She has me doing special exercises to strengthen the 3 remaining RC muscles so they can partially cover for the two that are torn off.
She has had 8 years of schooling in physiotherapy and acupuncture.
I was sent to her by a hospital Physio whom she had mentored. He said that she is the person he would see if he needed physiotherapy.
She is also very easy on the eyes, which shouldn't matter at all, but us old guys never give up, in the mind at least!

Glen
 
worntorn said:
She is also very easy on the eyes, which shouldn't matter at all, but us old guys never give up, in the mind at least!

Glen
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I really like visiting my GP for that very reason :D When you're basically alone in the world, a P.Y.T. is a nice break in the day!
 
kommando said:
Never walk your dog in a field of cows especially if they have calves with them. They see the dog as a threat and will attack the dog and whatever is close by, which will be you. Best advice if the cows start to move too close is to let go of the dog. It can run away and be safe and with a dog no longer close to you then you are less likely to be attacked. You unlike the dog cannot run fast enough to outpace a cow.
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My wife's best friend was walking her dog late afternoon on Friday when she was attacked by some long horned cows. She was badly injured but able to keep calling out for help. Now dark, another dog walker eventually heard her and managed to call 999 whilst stemming the bleeding from a very deep laceration to her thigh. The emergency services took two hours to find them in the darkness, even calling in the police helicopter to assist. She was rushed to the London Hospital, operated on the next morning, and perhaps surprisingly given the injuries she had ( which I won't share on here) released tonight.
 
It happens quite often and also happens with solo walkers, no dog present.
A UK prof made a study of these attacks recently. This was after his father was attacked by a cow when he was walking on a public pathway.
The study covered the period 2000 to 2020. It only dealt with attacks on the general public when out walking, not farm workers and only dealt with cow attacks, no bull attacks.
There were just over 100 attacks, 25 of which were fatal. Most of the remaining attacks involved serious injuries.
Shark attacks are 11 percent fatal.
Bear attacks are 14 percent fatal.
Cow attacks are 25 percent fatal.
So your odds are much better to survive a shark or bear attack than a cow attack.
That's a stat I wouldn't have expected!

I apologize to the OP for the sidetrack from lithium batteries, however I think we have answered the original question, even if views are widely divergent:)

Glen
 
worntorn said:
It was an 1800 lb female . She came across the field to get me. Knocked me out with a bunt from here huge concrete block head then trampled and tossed me.
I came to about 100 feet away with her standing with both front feet on my chest. That would be about 1100 pounds on my chest, not sure why it didn't collapse. Then she lifted one foot and placed it on my neck to finish me. I was coming to as this was happening. She was just starting to put weight on my neck when I screamed and swatted her nose with my right fist. I tried the left but it wasn't working.
I think I was a second or two from death. If she had leaned harder on my neck that would be it. That was her plan but the scream and the swat shocked her a bit and she left.
I had broken ribs and many bruises all over. The left shoulder is permanently buggered, it can't be fixed. The MRI showed that two rotator cuff muscles are torn completely off and have atrophied.
Oh well, I think I can still ride. Maybe not for long days though.

Glen
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Glen,
That was a horror story.Hope you are on the mend.
Mike
 
It was a close call. I had big bruises all over my body including one either side of Glen Central Station. You wouldnt want to see those ones but here is the one on the neck where she was just about to finish me off as I came to. The other is from the right arm, which is now healed completely.
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Lithium batteries

Us old guys can still heal up, even at multiple sites!
 
Getting back to batteries, after both of my Ballard Lithium batteries failed, I decided to go the other way. I purchased the cheapest old technology battery possible. Iirc it was about $19 on ebay for a 7 ah sealed lead acid battery.
For installation in the rear cowl the battery sits on its side. About 6 months after installation the battery started to leak. The vendor sent me a free replacement. This was sometime around 2015 and the battery is still in use today!
It came from one of two sources, either Battery Stuff in Grant's Pass Oregon or Battery Sharks in New York. One day soon I'll get it out and verify the date of purchase and brand name.
I've been using nothing but cheap batteries since 2015 and they have been pretty good. Most last about 4 years if charged up a couple of times in the winter. If allowed to go flat they tend to die pretty quickly.

Glen
 
Last month I was working on my bike and could hear a gentle fizzing, which stopped when I turned my battery tender off. I then realised my two battery failures in the last 18 months (on two different bikes), had one thing in common, they were both on this tender. Triumph branded, but looked like an Optimate.
 
I disconnect my lithium battery after every ride. My bike can sit for months then connect it up check charge if low turn the headlight on wait a minute then fire the bike. I give up on chargers they seem to kill battery’s.
 
I've not had much luck with leaving a trickle charger connected all winter with lead acid batteries. I don't disconnect anything as I'm too lazy for that.
Just giving them an 24 hr boost @ 2 amps every couple of months is very easy and keeps them topped up.
The bikes all have accessible live wires connected for heated vest use. The battery charger happens to have the matching end fitted so there is no need to remove the battery covers for charging, the charger just plugs in to that cable.

Glen
 
I use a 1.5 amp battery tender. I use the terminal wires they give you with the battery tender instead of the alligator clips wiring. It's a shielded network type plug. I plug it in when I park the bike and so far it seems to work as planned. I think my sealed lead/acid is probably 5 years old. I know it's sealed. I'm not sure if that means it's a glass-mat style battery. I know it's a low amp battery,... like maybe 8 or 9 amps. Not enough for an electric start bike, but works ok for a kickstart bike if I keep it topped up.
 
The Shorai batteries are made in China and seem to be pretty good, although some have caught fire.
The Ballard LiFePo4 batteries I tried were made in the US . That and the very high price made me think they would be higher quality than the lower priced Shorai. It turned out that the US made Ballard were total junk with a junk warranty. Eventually the company folded. They blamed cheap Chinese import Li batteries as the cause of their demise but the real problem was that their batteries weren't nearly as good as the Chinese Shorai .

Glen
 
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I did all the wiring on my Norton and there is very little of it, which might be why a very small Antigravity LiFePo4 battery works without issue on my Norton. The cells inside the LiFePo4 battery I'm using could be of Chinese manufacture. Not about to open it up and find out. The completed battery is assembled by a Company located in the USA.

If I owned a basically stock Norton 750 or 850 with a good electrical system, I'd probably get the cheaper AGM batteries. If I got 5 years out of them, I'd be happy.

Off topic banter:

My '65 El Camino battery has been on a charger/maintainer 24/7 365 for 8 years. Still starts every time I get around to starting it. It has an Optima Red top in it. Not pushing Optima, that is just what is in it.

Our 2017 Jeep has a charger maintainer on it as well. It eats batteries because it's always trying to communicate with something so the trickle doesn't seem to harm the big AGM better that is in it.

Two Priuses and neither has caught fire yet.

Put the full length of a Bultaco Pursang metal left footpeg hilt deep behind my left knee riding off road, broke my back in the late 70's on a CZ 360 Falta Replica, the list goes on. I can still ride all day. Tuff little 73 year old bugger.
 
Different point of view, IMHO:

1) Don't use standard Lead/Acid especially if it gets cold where used - they tend to sulfate when cold and become junk.
2) If not going to ride and don't have a heated space, charge an AGM battery (if needed) and then take it in the house - no trickle charger needed.
3) If not going to ride, be sure a LiFePo4 battery is at least 13.4 volts, and take in the house.
4) Of the six (current) types of Lithium batteries use only LiFePo4.
4) Don't own a trickle charger so you not tempted to use it.
5) Do not leave bikes indoors with the battery connected (remove the fuse). I little work by a mouse and your garage burns down! Had a 1990 BMW E350's life end due to mice chewing wires. It was outside and the burning wires were not near gasoline, so it just burned part of the harness, dash, headliner, etc. Scary cutting a battery wire in a burning car! Would have been a lot worse in a garage. In the 70s my next-door neighbor built race cars. One of his cars caught fire in the middle of the night. When the fire dept. heard that there was oxygen and acetylene tanks inside and that they were not turned off at the tanks only at the torch, they just kept the surrounding area hosed down and let his garage burn itself out - total loss.
 
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1) Don't use standard Lead/Acid especially if it gets cold where used - they tend to sulfate when cold and become junk.
2) If not going to ride and don't have a heated space, charge an AGM battery (if needed) and then take it in the house - no trickle charger needed."


Batteries sulfate when they are DISCHARGED, not when they are cold.

I have 5 motos and a Jeep in unheated storage, layed up for four months as we speek. Well below zero Fahrenheit will occur a few times. No sulfation.


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TomU said:
A lead-acid trickle charger should not be used on a Lithium battery w/o overcharging protection

How to charge Lithium ion Batteries, lithium polymer batteries, and lithium iron phosphate cells, including lithium battery chargers.

Charging methods for lithium batteries including slow charge, fast charge and smart charge techniques.
www.powerstream.com

Personally, i think these battery fires are a combination of Chinese junk and owner ignorance. Everything is dangerous if you are a moron.
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If you were born being an idiot, you'd better be lucky in life........
 
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