Secure your weapons!
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Being a Canuck , my understanding is that the 2 nd. ammendment allows weapons to be used to overthrow a rotten U.S. government. Freedom comes at a high price as witnessed recently. My condolences. Listen to your president, he speaks wisely.
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Check out the statistics after they banned semi and automatic weapons in Australia.
I lived there at the time and had to get rid of my semi auto rifle.
13 semi or automatic type gun massacres previous 16 years to the guns being bought back and banned, 0 massacres in the 12 years since the ban.
Cost $ 300million, guns bought back and crushed 700,000
if they tried that in the USA it would be 40 million guns that they would have to deal with.
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I lived there at the time and had to get rid of my semi auto rifle.
13 semi or automatic type gun massacres previous 16 years to the guns being bought back and banned, 0 massacres in the 12 years since the ban.
Cost $ 300million, guns bought back and crushed 700,000
if they tried that in the USA it would be 40 million guns that they would have to deal with.
Regards Mike
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Mike the N.R.A. Head said it ,I don't know any hunter who needs a 30 - auto-clip to go deer hunting. Let's start crushing these things soon. Its time for change. Just saw that the fear has Americans lined up to buy more . Education is needed but now. But I am a Canuck. It's their country and I wish them the best.
Wasn`t the Colt .45 revolver back in the 1800s known as 'The Peacemaker' due to its general availability & handy grab-ability?
Its maybe when there is only one with a gun & no one to shoot back that crazy-bold shit goes down..
Israel & Switzerland have guns in virtually every household, & people ready to use them in self-defence..they dont seem to have many of these massacres..
Its maybe when there is only one with a gun & no one to shoot back that crazy-bold shit goes down..
Israel & Switzerland have guns in virtually every household, & people ready to use them in self-defence..they dont seem to have many of these massacres..
i am from europe and we have a very strict gun law here. id say it is almost impossible to get a gun where i live... so...the amount of people getting shot by guns in my country is pretty low.
the idea of giving more guns to teachers to protect children from men with guns on a killing spree is not the wisest idea.
the idea of giving more guns to teachers to protect children from men with guns on a killing spree is not the wisest idea.
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The Second amendment has an interesting history. When the Constitutional Convention convened in 1787, they hammered out the US Constitution in a little over 3 months. It was flawed from the beginning, and some of the states were unwilling to ratify the constitution as it stood. 10 of the 13 states (>75%) had to ratify the constitution in order for it to be the law of the land.
The understanding was that a Bill of Rights would be submitted for approval, and key to this Bill of Rights, for Virginia, was what became the second amendment. There was a fear in Virginia and the Carolinas that, if there was a Federal army, troops sent to these states to quell a slave revolt might be sympathetic to the anti-slavery cause. By ceding national defense to state-run militias, Virginia would be able to put down a slave revolt without relying on, say, a New Hampshire militia sent by the federal government. It can be argued that the Second Amendment was to protect the institution of slavery.
My wife is an elementary Principal, and a damn good one. The thought of teaching her to shoot to kill a belligerent intruder is insane. She has been attacked, spit on, had her life threatened, and the school got 'powdered' shortly after the anthrax scare - some idiot sent an envelope with chalk in it. Even with all of that, she would never be able to shoot somebody - she firmly believes that 'thou shalt not kill'. Do you want an armed staff at your child's school? Would it be OK then to kill an angry parent who jumps over the front counter in the office? How about a kid who is mercilessly beating a teacher or other student? How about if a kid pulls a gun out of his backpack? After he's dead on the floor (and 3 other kids wounded because the teacher isn't a great shot) you find out its a toy. Is this the solution for allowing high-powered rifles, 30-round clips and unlimited ammo?
In my state, there have been 1 MILLION concealed weapons permits issued, and its legal to kill somebody if you feel threatened - even chase them down and shoot them. Over 100 people have been killed under the 'stand your ground' law, or as I call it 'kill a black man permit'. There was a kid in Boca Raton (one of the few whites killed under 'stand your ground') who was killed for repeatedly ringing a man's doorbell and running away.
US infantry in WWII were mostly supplied with the M1 Garand which had 8-round clips. How many rounds does one need to carry, unless going out to kill a lot of people? Does one need to fear being rushed by an Elk while reloading?
How much ammo does one person need? This kid went to the school with enough bullets to kill every man, woman and child there. Is this what was intended by the right to bear arms? Why do we need armor-piercing bullets?
I think, have as many guns as you want. 10-round clip maximum load, bullets are registered to the purchaser, no more than 100 rounds owned at any one time, no high-powered rounds unless you have the proper hunting permit for the appropriate large game. If you want to go to a gun range and shoot 1000 rounds, fine. Buy the rounds there, in 100 round increments, and leave unused behind - either in a locker at the range, or sell them back before you leave. No need to arrive with your five semi-automatics all loaded and ready to go.
I liked the comic Gallagher's solution to the handgun problem - make them all with 3' barrels. Impossible to conceal and makes suicide very difficult
The understanding was that a Bill of Rights would be submitted for approval, and key to this Bill of Rights, for Virginia, was what became the second amendment. There was a fear in Virginia and the Carolinas that, if there was a Federal army, troops sent to these states to quell a slave revolt might be sympathetic to the anti-slavery cause. By ceding national defense to state-run militias, Virginia would be able to put down a slave revolt without relying on, say, a New Hampshire militia sent by the federal government. It can be argued that the Second Amendment was to protect the institution of slavery.
My wife is an elementary Principal, and a damn good one. The thought of teaching her to shoot to kill a belligerent intruder is insane. She has been attacked, spit on, had her life threatened, and the school got 'powdered' shortly after the anthrax scare - some idiot sent an envelope with chalk in it. Even with all of that, she would never be able to shoot somebody - she firmly believes that 'thou shalt not kill'. Do you want an armed staff at your child's school? Would it be OK then to kill an angry parent who jumps over the front counter in the office? How about a kid who is mercilessly beating a teacher or other student? How about if a kid pulls a gun out of his backpack? After he's dead on the floor (and 3 other kids wounded because the teacher isn't a great shot) you find out its a toy. Is this the solution for allowing high-powered rifles, 30-round clips and unlimited ammo?
In my state, there have been 1 MILLION concealed weapons permits issued, and its legal to kill somebody if you feel threatened - even chase them down and shoot them. Over 100 people have been killed under the 'stand your ground' law, or as I call it 'kill a black man permit'. There was a kid in Boca Raton (one of the few whites killed under 'stand your ground') who was killed for repeatedly ringing a man's doorbell and running away.
US infantry in WWII were mostly supplied with the M1 Garand which had 8-round clips. How many rounds does one need to carry, unless going out to kill a lot of people? Does one need to fear being rushed by an Elk while reloading?
How much ammo does one person need? This kid went to the school with enough bullets to kill every man, woman and child there. Is this what was intended by the right to bear arms? Why do we need armor-piercing bullets?
I think, have as many guns as you want. 10-round clip maximum load, bullets are registered to the purchaser, no more than 100 rounds owned at any one time, no high-powered rounds unless you have the proper hunting permit for the appropriate large game. If you want to go to a gun range and shoot 1000 rounds, fine. Buy the rounds there, in 100 round increments, and leave unused behind - either in a locker at the range, or sell them back before you leave. No need to arrive with your five semi-automatics all loaded and ready to go.
I liked the comic Gallagher's solution to the handgun problem - make them all with 3' barrels. Impossible to conceal and makes suicide very difficult
Like Marc, I live in Europe where gun control is very strict and there are very few gun related crimes here compared to the US.
However, as has already been pointed out, the Swiss and Israelis pretty much have guns in every household.
But it scares me the amount of illegal arms that appear to be in fairly free circulation in the US, in most of these tragedies it seems rare that a legal, registered weapon is used. Maybe stricter gun control is not the solution.
Also, guns don't kill people, people kill people, so maybe its time to look a little deeper into American society and try and figure out what drives people to commit this sort of atrocity. (BTW, I'm not for one minute suggesting that all you blokes over there are mad, but you do seem to have more than your fair share of loonies!)
My thoughts go out to the families and friends of all those who were killed.
Webby
However, as has already been pointed out, the Swiss and Israelis pretty much have guns in every household.
But it scares me the amount of illegal arms that appear to be in fairly free circulation in the US, in most of these tragedies it seems rare that a legal, registered weapon is used. Maybe stricter gun control is not the solution.
Also, guns don't kill people, people kill people, so maybe its time to look a little deeper into American society and try and figure out what drives people to commit this sort of atrocity. (BTW, I'm not for one minute suggesting that all you blokes over there are mad, but you do seem to have more than your fair share of loonies!)
My thoughts go out to the families and friends of all those who were killed.
Webby
the thought of arming SOME of the staff is just a partial solution as most middle and high schools already have a resource officer ( armed deputy ) in a lot of our county's. the staff that WANTS to take this responsibility on should have that option but not force anyone to do this, to do so is a recipe for disaster. I am an NRA pistol instructor and one of the questions I ask ANYONE if they are considering a gun is "if you have to use it can you live with it afterward". If not you do not need a gun . so to answer, YES I would not have trouble with a WELL TRAINED staff member that is armed.
I have NO idea where you think the stand your ground law gives you the OK to chase someone down an shoot them or call it a "kill a black man permit" this is part of the reason for the Zimmerman trial. as for the ringing the doorbell and running you CAN NOT shoot some one in the back and if so you should be put on trial!!!!
you surly don't want to stop by my house than :mrgreen: . This KID was a young adult with mental issues that was known by his mother and IF she had ANY sense she would have had a proper gun safe if she wanted to keep her firearms so he had no access to them. a safe cost's less than 1 good rifle. This KID was he!! bent on what he did and would have carried it out by what ever means be it a few pipe bombs, Molotov cocktails or anything else he could find.
the only armor piercing bullet's are in either 30-06 or 50BMG and IF you want them you will have to find the projectile and assemble them yourself. there are NO pistol AP and NO store bought AP for rifle.
as to going to a gun range with a firearm that is "all loaded and ready to go" the ranges I know of would toss you out ASAP for doing something this STUPID!!!!!
There is a LOT more to this than the gun. the youth of this country has been inundated with violence from Hollywood and video games to the point that some have been totally desensitized to death and that violence is the only way to FIX your problem's with NO consequences from it.
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I have NO idea where you think the stand your ground law gives you the OK to chase someone down an shoot them or call it a "kill a black man permit" this is part of the reason for the Zimmerman trial. as for the ringing the doorbell and running you CAN NOT shoot some one in the back and if so you should be put on trial!!!!
BillT said:
you surly don't want to stop by my house than :mrgreen: . This KID was a young adult with mental issues that was known by his mother and IF she had ANY sense she would have had a proper gun safe if she wanted to keep her firearms so he had no access to them. a safe cost's less than 1 good rifle. This KID was he!! bent on what he did and would have carried it out by what ever means be it a few pipe bombs, Molotov cocktails or anything else he could find.
BillT said:
the only armor piercing bullet's are in either 30-06 or 50BMG and IF you want them you will have to find the projectile and assemble them yourself. there are NO pistol AP and NO store bought AP for rifle.
as to going to a gun range with a firearm that is "all loaded and ready to go" the ranges I know of would toss you out ASAP for doing something this STUPID!!!!!
BillT said:
There is a LOT more to this than the gun. the youth of this country has been inundated with violence from Hollywood and video games to the point that some have been totally desensitized to death and that violence is the only way to FIX your problem's with NO consequences from it.
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This is a terrible tragedy. You will never ever stop people obtaining guns if they really try and this goes for the UK where we probably have the most stringent laws. In this instance this lad had an assault rifle and a Heckler & Koch which were his mothers. In gods name why??
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bill said:
Here is a reprint of the Palm Beach Post article about the Boca man who shot a 16-year-old kid for ringing his doorbell and running. The homeowner stated to police he thought the boy was a burglar and armed. Man was not charged, but the weapon was confiscated. Later reports revealed the boy was shot in the back from about 30 feet away. This happened in 2003, before the 'stand your ground' law
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1008297/posts
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