Non-Cush Hub Conversion?

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Im planning to make up a new rear wheel for my 74 850. Picked up a never used rim in great condition. The hub that came with it is the pre-71 type which bolts to drum with studs, not the cush drive paddles as on later type. Can the hub be modified to take the cush drive by milling the slots for the cush rubbers or to complicated?

Any major issues with using non cush drum and hub on the 850, such as shock loading in the gearbox etc?
 
The cush drive is a set of rock hard and thin blocks. I don't see how they could work as a cush drive.
Not as hard as aluminium though is it? So some ‘give’ must be there. How useful or important it is though, I’ve no idea.

I’m guessing Norton did this as a ‘trickle down’ from the racers which were suffering gearbox failures? Started out as a good idea but ended up being hampered by cost?

I’ve often wondered why the Brits put such effort into shock absorbers in the 50s with big spring loaded ramps on the cranks etc, this put a lot of cost into the products and they were producing really quite low power.

I wonder if it was a hangover from pre war days when big singles were mated to inadequate / antiquated gearboxes, often hauling sidecars etc?

Or maybe it was the riding style of the day, even road testers were obsessed about achieving ridiculously low ‘minimum none snatch speed’ in top gear, maybe people lugged their engines too much back then?

Lots of race bikes etc get built sans cush, but they’re never ‘lugging’ they’re always spinning fast and in the right gear. I’ve built lots of Triumphs where a belt drive has meant the stock cush is removed, and race bikes without cush drives, and have never noticed any ill effect.

Having said all of that… if a bike has a cush drive already, that causes no issues apart from needing new rubbers once in a while, I’d be hesitant to remove it for no real benefit. If changing rubbers once in a while is the issue, Ludwig already has the solution for that !
 
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Can the hub be modified to take the cush drive by milling the slots for the cush rubbers or to complicated?
The metal isn't there to make the slots without welding unless that's what you meant.
Non-Cush Hub Conversion?
 
I had a friend who put a bolt-up hub/drum combo in a Commando and regretted how harsh it was, to the extent of backtracked and having a cush hub laced in.
Even the Dommies, which the bolt-up hubs were fitted to, had a rudimentary cush in the clutch.

I think you should go ahead - then report back on your findings.
 
Sounds like a lot of work without any R&D to back it up. I wouldn't do it. Doesn't mean squat that I wouldn't do it though. I can't do machine millwork with a hacksaw and file. ;)

Andy Molnar does not use cush anything on his race bikes. Race bikes are not ridden from home to the local cafe on signal regulated surface streets though and aren't expected to last forever without needing some attention. Mr Molnar said they have not had any failures running the race bikes that way, but his race bikes are fit with TTi gearboxes, which are as far as I can tell from using one smoother shifting than the AMC gearboxes.

I don't have any cush in the RGM belt clutch or the stock rear hub of my P11 and can't tell any difference from when I did have cush in the AMC clutch. I may not be putting enough energy into worrying about it though and missing something.
 
I put a bolt up rear wheel on my 850
I absolutely hated it
Mainly the crunch into first was the main thing I didn't like
As was going down the box to slow down
But that's just my take
Nowadays I have apprillia pegaso wheels with a very decent cush drive on my 750
 
I'm also interested in this topic, since I have a hub and rim from a Yamaha MX bike sitting in my workshop. Needs a suitable caliber and master cylinder added to the frame, but it would give a far lighter rear wheel, inspired by our own Ludwig's efforts.
It's totally lacking a cushdrive though.
 
The only comparison I have is with honda sohc 750s. when we removed the cush drive hub to acquire a disc rear brake, we suffered substainially higher primary chain failures.
I converted my first year commmando to cush drive and noticed quite a bit of perceived improvement (seat of the pants). I used the bolt up hub cover with rubber plugs so the difference is not apparent from the outside,
 
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