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Had a bit of a go sorting out a no spark issue recently & thought I'd pass on results as it may help others.
Bike is a 1973 750 Commando, mostly stock with Boyer.
Ran 10 miles to gas up & no start.
Diagnosed no spark, but easy fixes ruled out, so trucked home to garage.
Tank off, and found only 7 volts at Boyer lead connection. Battery at 12.9 V . Also 12.9 V at switch feed to harness and all lights are bright .
Original harness ( only 49 years old ) looking real tired, especially at connectors where the rubbers are severely cracked & almost disintegrating.
On my shelf for about 6 years is a brand new harness of which the installation got delayed many times. (Why hurry, when bike running good, eh?)
Installed new main harness. New soldered bullets and connectors where required.
Checked Boyer power connection with digital volt meter & it showed 12.8 V (Remember this for later)
Try to start bike, & still no spark.
Ran through regular coil & Boyer checks. Appears the Black Box was just not functioning.
Oh well, it is 30+ years old , so I went ahead and ordered a new Black Box. Coils were on fringe of resistance spec, and were older of some oriental source so I popped for 2 new Lucas ones.
Everything replaced.... nothing. WTF ??? Deep breath & think this through again.
Going over the electrical schematic & it jumped out at me. Head smack myself. Had not checked wiring to/from and at kill switch. (It works by breaking connection not grounding out)
Noticeable resistance showed on meter. Carefully disassembled switch. No green meanies, but contacts looked aged.
Dressed & cleaned contacts.
Bingo. Big fat beautiful spark... gave myself another head smack just because.
My mistakes & summary. I should have jumped direct power to Boyer. This would have eliminated coils & ignition components right away. Then, back trace and identify actual point of issue. Instead I condemmed harness without proof. Followed that up by trusting small digital volt meter 100%. Should have checked with test light. Little digital meter did not draw enough amps to cause voltage drop at kill switch contacts. Not something that is likely, but can happen and I know this.
Yes, the last thing I touched (The kill switch at the gas station) was the culprit. Yes I did initially check it & flick it to make sure it "felt" normal & wasn't stuck. However, always a great adage is to check on the last thing touched/replaced.
I don't regret replacing coils, but really did not need a spare Mk1 Boyer black box. (not a bad thing though).
Compassion & criticism welcome.
PS Darn cheap Norton electrical harness....it only lasted 49 years.... maybe 50 plus if I had of ID'd switch issue first & put off replacement a bit longer.
Cheers
Bike is a 1973 750 Commando, mostly stock with Boyer.
Ran 10 miles to gas up & no start.
Diagnosed no spark, but easy fixes ruled out, so trucked home to garage.
Tank off, and found only 7 volts at Boyer lead connection. Battery at 12.9 V . Also 12.9 V at switch feed to harness and all lights are bright .
Original harness ( only 49 years old ) looking real tired, especially at connectors where the rubbers are severely cracked & almost disintegrating.
On my shelf for about 6 years is a brand new harness of which the installation got delayed many times. (Why hurry, when bike running good, eh?)
Installed new main harness. New soldered bullets and connectors where required.
Checked Boyer power connection with digital volt meter & it showed 12.8 V (Remember this for later)
Try to start bike, & still no spark.
Ran through regular coil & Boyer checks. Appears the Black Box was just not functioning.
Oh well, it is 30+ years old , so I went ahead and ordered a new Black Box. Coils were on fringe of resistance spec, and were older of some oriental source so I popped for 2 new Lucas ones.
Everything replaced.... nothing. WTF ??? Deep breath & think this through again.
Going over the electrical schematic & it jumped out at me. Head smack myself. Had not checked wiring to/from and at kill switch. (It works by breaking connection not grounding out)
Noticeable resistance showed on meter. Carefully disassembled switch. No green meanies, but contacts looked aged.
Dressed & cleaned contacts.
Bingo. Big fat beautiful spark... gave myself another head smack just because.
My mistakes & summary. I should have jumped direct power to Boyer. This would have eliminated coils & ignition components right away. Then, back trace and identify actual point of issue. Instead I condemmed harness without proof. Followed that up by trusting small digital volt meter 100%. Should have checked with test light. Little digital meter did not draw enough amps to cause voltage drop at kill switch contacts. Not something that is likely, but can happen and I know this.
Yes, the last thing I touched (The kill switch at the gas station) was the culprit. Yes I did initially check it & flick it to make sure it "felt" normal & wasn't stuck. However, always a great adage is to check on the last thing touched/replaced.
I don't regret replacing coils, but really did not need a spare Mk1 Boyer black box. (not a bad thing though).
Compassion & criticism welcome.
PS Darn cheap Norton electrical harness....it only lasted 49 years.... maybe 50 plus if I had of ID'd switch issue first & put off replacement a bit longer.
Cheers