Interview with Les Emery

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B.Rad said:
hello All, hope you are well.
A few comments on parts.
In my early days of buying parts, I bought from aftermarket and fleabay. then run across Andover Norton and mr Nick Hopkins. the attitude, service and information given by mr Hopkins led to me only buying Andover. Nothing seemed too much trouble, he will be sorely missed. I hope the same level of service continues.

It did not take long to realise that most of the aftermarket stuff I got was rubbish. did not fit, shocking chrome and just bad service.

I have never had an inferior part or something that did not fit from AN. I suppose others will disagree, but my experience has only been good.

regarding dealers, I went to support local industry, but my experience with several dealers led me to go back to directly dealing with AN.

it is amazing that 40 years later there is still genuine Norton parts available of known quality backed up by warranty.

just my 2 quids worth
Bradley

i too fell into this trap. purchased swingarm spindl and bushes of fleabay. Fucked around with the locating screw for about 2 hrs and just couldnt get it to fit. finally conacted the seller with a WTF and he said, oh maybe its M4 metric or some such shit. it was.
now the bushes are flogged out and need full replacement. Less than 12 months old and only 2000 miles.

i will be replacing the spindle at the same time with Andover stuff.
 
Dkt26,
At least you now know the vendor buys his stuff from India- or is Indian. I got samples of these swinging arm axles and non-sintered bushes and, yes, the spindle has a metric thread. And the bushes are some plain bronze that won't hold oil hence won't last.
You have to give it to the Indian manufacturer, though- they were dirt cheap! We couldn't buy our raw material for these items for the price he charges for his finished offerings.

As for our primary chaincases, yes, they are as original and replace the ones fitted by the factory till 1975 1:1.
Joe/Andover Norton
 
ZFD
Well, that is not a new argument on this forum, or from BA10BOON for that matter, but that does not make it more true.
I wonder who else gets our gearbox parts, crankcases, primary chaincases, cylinder barrels, rockers, fork stanchions, fork sliders, side covers etcetcetc from our suppliers who make these things using our tooling and our drawings, but I'd certainly be interested to hear. Somehow I doubt

This may be the case with these parts but they are made from new tooling which you have commisioned ( so Genuine Norton they are not )
if Andover commision a manufacturer to make replacement part s they consider it genuine ? any other vendor makes a replacement part ZFD
considers it inferior quality ( non genuine ) there are no / very few genuine Norton parts around these days N.O.S is the only source of genuine factory parts

I would estimate that 80 to 90 percent of Andovers current range is bought from suppliers who basically they have no control over ( only QC on arrival )
These manufacturers will also sell these products to alternative vendors so a large percentage of the parts ZFD considers as inferior quality are actually
the same product just not bagged as so called Genuine Norton parts

I have no problem with ZFD protecting his own interests on this site but constantly slating the competition is wearing thin
after all good availabilty of parts keeps our bikes on the road and more competition ensures replacement parts prices are still affordable
so if your local shop can supply acceptable quality parts do not worry who supplied them , give the local guy some trade after all when you are stuck for that wierd imperial fastner or need a re bore in a hurry where do you turn if he is not there to help
 
Kiwi, I think the problem is that many of the parts on sale worldwide are of an unknown quality, so Andover ensuring the original specifcation and providing quality control and warranty is added value. Most British manufacturers outsourced at least some of their parts, so the fact that Andover may also do this is incidental as long as the quality is there. If some dealers want to sell alternative parts they should specify this and give the buyer an informed choice, it seems that some do not do this.

I don't feel that Joe Seifert is on here to slag the competition, but has answered specific questions related to his business and the products that he produces. I would expect him to defend the quality of these products and his business practice and he has done so.
 
As anyone considered that the original Commando was built from bought in "Genuine" amals. "Genuine" smiths clocks "genuine Lucas Equipment . As we all know not the best equipment...so why would anyone want parts that are " made on factory tooling " when it was rubbish in the first place.

A packet with "genuine Norton SOFT cam" or "genuine Norton Monkey metal amal carburator" I would go for the part that is labled " New spec ,part not Genuine Norton Rubbish!" When Joe says "Made on Original tooling" god help us...has he got the old Ward 7's ..my god i saw them clanking away 50 years ago. and the inspector was checking the parts with a wooden rule! :lol:
 
john robert bould said:
...so why would anyone want parts that are " made on factory tooling " when it was rubbish in the first place.

That is by far the best argument to get yourself a 961 and get rid of all the sh*tty old bits. :mrgreen:

Honestly, what Joe usually claims is "made to original factory drawings" sometimes on "original tooling". He also mentioned quite a few items where the original tooling was lost which would remanufactured items of this variety "made to original factory drawings on new tooling". Plus he has the possibility to have cast parts made to much better standards than original, e.g. simply because the dreaded old Rolly-Royce casting would scare the sh*t out of any currenty foundry personal. Plus for simplicity reasons these new castings are most likely CNC-machined etc. pp.

The alternative to AN parts can only be reverse-engineered parts (as well as there are some RE AN parts, granted). That is off course possible but it will cost a little so IMHO there is something to gain for other manufacturers in taking shortcuts in this reverse engineering process. The later ones IMHO are not an alternative to AN but a menace to the Norton world - I'd really like to know how much of the awfully bad reputation British bikes have in terms of reliability actually comes from bad parts and/or bad mechanics. As well assembled Commandos kept together with quality parts by good mechanics are in existance my guess would be that this percentage is rather high.



Tim
 
Reading the comments by John Robert Bould and of Kiwi I wonder why they bother with the total sh*t that Commando motorcycles in their esteemed opinion obviously were when new, and that all Norton spares apparently still are. May I suggest they buy themselves some modern, mass-produced motorcycle that may (if it is lucky!) satisfy their exquisite tastes and high expectations of engineering excellence.

John Robert, I will let you in on a well-kept secret: the days of the soft (Genuine Norton Factory Parts)camshaft are long gone. The soft cams were leftovers from 850Mk3 production days and have been off the market for at least twenty years!

And, Kiwi, if you find that
N.O.S is the only source of genuine factory parts
you stand a fair chance to, through that, find a soft camshaft, or other period parts with known faults- alternator rotors that fell apart, soft clutch centres etc. In that case you can not go back to the vendor and complain, or get your money back!

I have been in the Norton (and Triumph) spares business since the 1970s, and I can still remember the times when one would go to the bin and grab a handful of parts to find one that fitted the corresponding part on the bike. That is what British production engineering was like at the time.

Today, I expect each and any part in the bin to fit each and any corresponding part in the other bin, or on the bike. We do indeed now have quality control procedures, and often improved tooling.

In some cases we have changed the method to manufacture a part to give us consistent quality. Made possible through machinery and processes that were either not available or financially not viable with the production methods being what they were forty years ago.

Joe/Andover Norton
 
Joe,
I remember my pals 1969 750 spilling its' guts on the A34, and the Norton weaving about prior to the rod exiting the crankcase... so, what where you saying ?
 
John,
Repetitio non placet. But I said forget Nortons if your experiences are that bad, and buy yourself a Honda or something.

Whilst I have been riding Commandos on road and track since 1977 I have yet to see a conrod sticking out of one of my crankcases. My friend Rudi, who probably rebuilds more Commando engines in Germany than anybody else has had that fault very rarely, and only when:

- the proud owner put the oil lines on the oil junction bloc the wrong way round;
- the proud owner had an oil tap fitted which he forgot to open;
- the engine had been rebuilt before with secondhand big end bolts or big end bolts of suspect origin, mostly by an amateur or a "specialist" who should not call himself that.

I can asure you not a single one of the engines he rebuilt and put into a motorcycle showed its conrod in public.

I wonder if your friend had his fingers in the engine at some time before it blew up.........
Joe
 
Hands up all those that buy from Norvil, Hands up all those that buy from AN. AN wins I bet!!

'Genuine' parts or not, I like parts that that fit first time, everytime. That is why I use AN despite the fact that there is a retailer nearer to me where I can go and buy parts. What constitutes genuine these days would be open to a big debate - recently bought a BOSCH MAF for my car, and despite the BOSCH website warning of Chinese copies, guess where it came from.

As for old tooling, there is company in Loanhead that still uses a belt driven cutting machine over 100 years old, it still works to tolerance in this modern age, and there is nothing else that could replace it to make it viable or increase production.

As for the amount of bikes that have been registered by Norvil, this used to be an easy task and may still be as there was a DVLA webpage that listed the numbers, makes models etc of registered each quarter. I'm sure that would indicate just how many have been made Norvil.

I think Norvil filled a gap in the market in past years when the availability of parts was a bit more of an issue, but now AN are settled with an enthusiast as the company owner and team leader routinely producing previously out of stock items to higher spec, then Norvil would would need to change up a gear to compete which I think they can't do at this moment.
 
Madnorton said:
As for the amount of bikes that have been registered by Norvil, this used to be an easy task and may still be as there was a DVLA webpage that listed the numbers, makes models etc of registered each quarter. I'm sure that would indicate just how many have been made Norvil.

If this is the website you mean http://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/ then data is extremely unreliable.

"Norvil" motorcycles found: None.
 
If you look more closely at the site, try 'Norton Commando 750', 850, 920, and 1000.Ignore the 961's.
Then look at 'New Registrations'.
The total 2012 result, for example, shows that there were 17 new 750's registered, 7 850's, and no 920's or 1000's.
Some of those new registrations might have been built by other persons, and some new Norvil-built Nortons will not have been UK-registered.
One bike per fortnight isn't too bad for one assembler.
 
Well my old Norton did just fine today motoring about Palos Verde and the coast, I think I must be lucky to find good parts if some are having so many problems. I try to buy A.N. parts when I can. The bike is all back together and running great, Come on Buffalo!!!! Who's Les Emery anyway? :wink:
 
marston rhode said:
If you look more closely at the site, try 'Norton Commando 750', 850, 920, and 1000.Ignore the 961's.
Then look at 'New Registrations'.
The total 2012 result, for example, shows that there were 17 new 750's registered, 7 850's, and no 920's or 1000's.

Recent Commando "750" & "850" registrations are more likely to be Commandos brought back from the USA and elsewhere.

Date of first registration is the date that a vehicle first became known to the DVLA. This is usually the same as the year the car was built.
Imports will be counted under the year they were brought into the UK, and some restored classic vehicles will be counted under the year they were brought back on the road.

There's only one 1000cc Commando, registered in 2006, and according to the data there are no 920cc registered at all.
 
ZFD And, Kiwi, if you find that
N.O.S is the only source of genuine factory partsyou stand a fair chance to, through that, find a soft camshaft, or other period parts with known faults- alternator rotors that fell apart, soft clutch centres etc. In that case you can not go back to the vendor and complain, or get your money back!

No far to wise for that Joe i will go straight to the source Newman cams ( genuine Norton ) after all they solved the hardness issues not AN
like i said earlier you have no control over the manufacturers production just QC on arrival
 
It appear that after all these years, we now know at last what the 'V' in 'NVT' stands for.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/barn-find-/1409 ... 7675.l2557

"FOR SALE A VERY RARE BARN FIND IT IS A NVT NORTON VILLAGER TRIUMPH RARE MODEL IT IS A 1976 MODEL IT HAS 2635 MILES ON THE CLOCKI DONT HAVE THE LOG BOOK BUT THERE IS AN OLD TAX DISC ON IT AND THE NUMBER PLATE THIS IS CASH ON COLLECTION ONLY PLEASE LOOK AT MY OTHER ITEMS THANKS FOR LOOKING"

Rumour has it that Les Emery has already registered the trade mark and will shortly be marketing 'Genuine Villager Spares'...

It will be a requirement when ordering parts to stand at the counter spelling out the alphabet with one's arms above one's head. :)
 
Re: Re:

swooshdave said:
Time Warp said:
Since this is the Andover Norton thread :lol:

Although hard to believe the 850 I have has what looks to be a crack in the primary cover,starting at the front observation plug hole and running down to below that face.
I am curious to what the AN primary cover is,is it an exact replacement of the OEM cover ?,any pictures of one please ?

http://www.nortonmotors.de/ANIL/Norton% ... 10&Part=16

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Are you sure it's not a casting mark? Picture please?

Flew back in from work today and just remembered this.

Interview with Les Emery


I need to replace the isolastics on the Fastback and the full kits from AN might be the answer ??
Apparently they are not stainless steel ?
What of the Norvil kits ?
Are there others,I would like to replace and forget them if possible.
 
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The pic of the crack above turned out to be a not a crack under the magnifier and will sand out.


Since this started as a Norvil related thread.
I had purchased off Andover previously and will do so again most likely before the week is out.
The postman just dropped off a package via trusty C110 after making an order at Norvil last month.
I have to say thanks to Jan at Norvil,great service and communication,I'm back to the garage to stop the Triumph work and back on to the Norton's gearbox since I have the appropriate tool now. :D

Interview with Les Emery
 
Nice to see Les Emery's version of the A-N packing slips - if imitation was the best form of flattery, Joe must be feeling pretty smug right now... But I suspect not :|
Reminds me of back in the '70s there were 'Lockhead' branded brake pads on the car market which came from, er... somewhere other than the Lockheed factory - the packaging was identical apart from the 'typo', but the pads were deadly.

Meanwhile, back to the original topic, I posted this a while back, but it clearly shows where Les got his 'New Norton' concept from.


Interview with Les Emery


Full story here...
deja-all-over-again-t16183.html
 
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