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Tornado said:
Regarding CA vs NYC situations, CA pop density is lower but I believe they also acted swiftly when WA started showing the outbreak. They implemented a state wide shutdown to get pop to self isolate. Starting to show the benefits. NYC took longer to act, had a much more rapid uptick likely to higher density and public transit etc.
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The dates are similar
JimC said:
Do you remember Trump’s campaign promise that he would make so many good deals we’d be sick of good deals?Haven’t seen any good deals but we are sick.
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Tornado said:
Regarding CA vs NYC situations, CA pop density is lower but I believe they also acted swiftly when WA started showing the outbreak. They implemented a state wide shutdown to get pop to self isolate. Starting to show the benefits. NYC took longer to act, had a much more rapid uptick likely to higher density and public transit etc.
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I agree geographics has a huge impact. Climate and transportation, Californians use cars and have wide open spaces, compared to New York. March 2, NY mayor told citizens to go on with their lives as normal. Here in Michigan, my last trip out for beer and pizza at a micro brewer was March 15. Next day, March 16, the state closed all bars, restaurants, ect.. California followed suit March 17. New York "city" shut the like March 17.
 
PHIL L said:
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NYC is unlike any other major metropolitan city in the United States, there is no comparison.

People are pointing fingers at the federal gov. because it has the power to help yet refuses to, meanwhile more will die.

No offense to Michigan but shutting down NYC is again, not comparable. This is the financial capital of the country, if not the world.
 
JimC said:
My god, but you are delusional. Everything Trump says or does is for his re-election. If there ever was a traveling medicine man posing as a politician it is Trump.
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TDS again. While Trump was never groomed for office as was Obama and his twin, Buttigieg, I enjoy knowing Trump came to office wealthy unlike Obama who gained his wealth while in office, as do most representatives
 
JimC said:
God, that’s sad! Maybe an alternative context?
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Was there an alternative context when he was outed for banging a pornstar while his current wife was pregnant? Hard to characterize that as a hoax.
 
PHIL L said:
TDS again. While Trump was never groomed for office as was Obama and his twin, Buttigieg, I enjoy knowing Trump came to office wealthy unlike Obama who gained his wealth while in office, as do most representatives
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Trump gained his wealth by getting bailed out of bankruptcy by Russian oligarchs (including Putin) not long before he entered politics and then for some strange reason became an admirer of totalitarian dictators whom he envies for their unilateral decisions and elimination of opposition. I hope you enjoy that, too.
 
Tornado said:
No nation wide strategy, self isolation requirement like most other major countries. Are you not aware the US now has over 25% of worldwide cases, 7k+ deaths and rising at rates faster than Italy, Spain , and Wuhan? That is shocking to me.

Saw an interesting pair of graphs depicting what happens when regions do not restrict population interactions at the same time, doing sequentially instead. The overall case numbers are many times higher and the total time to knock down the spread more than doubles. This is exactly what is happening across USA right now, with a patchwork of states reacting or not reacting.

We know how this will turn out and how to affect it, yet no national guidance. Shameful.
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I am aware. Today, US deaths are at 25/million while Italy and Spain are ten X's our numbers. Hopefully their numbers are flattening and I too fear we're closing fast as US population is huge in comparison.

I hope we prove the models wrong.

I agree with you, utter shameful however I fear but cannot see the future results. Time will tell. I do know now, as our country refuses to come together, our people suffer. Divided for years now, having observed virulent, criminal acts of opposition towards this administration, outside influence on our elected officials has been never so clear. From the onset, prior to winning or taking office, the word "resist" describes it best. G and find or create any opposition available and use to attack and destroy. Controlling powers over media, Judicial and Intelligence branches, bias permitting lies and abuse of powers. Fault is to be shared by all in government. Russia, Dossier, Ukraine, on and on. Hurling rants of racism and xenophobia because of imposed China travel restrictions. Aid package to the people hog tied for days because of agenda, unrelated pork. The opposition is not about or for the people but for the change of this republic
 
Danno said:
Trump gained his wealth by getting bailed out of bankruptcy by Russian oligarchs (including Putin) not long before he entered politics and then for some strange reason became an admirer of totalitarian dictators whom he envies for their unilateral decisions and elimination of opposition. I hope you enjoy that, too.
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Respectfully, I enjoy productive debate and yours is not. Neither is this but have to ask. Did you give credence to the Christopher Steele report?
 
Danno said:
Trump gained his wealth by getting bailed out of bankruptcy by Russian oligarchs (including Putin) not long before he entered politics and then for some strange reason became an admirer of totalitarian dictators whom he envies for their unilateral decisions and elimination of opposition. I hope you enjoy that, too.
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I seriously doubt Trump’s claim of wealth. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump was underwater. Negative wealth. If Trump had the wealth he claims to have he’d have his tax returns posted on the internet 24/7.

He has maintained the illusion of wealth by a Ponzi scheme with banks and lenders. He is well known to borrow heavily for his projects. He can no longer borrow from ANY US bank. The lenders he deals with, Russian oligarchs and European banks known for laundering money, will gladly lend him money without collateralizing the loan. Quite easy to borrow more money than the cost of the project. The man has been a grifter for most of his life. Not only multiple huge bankruptcies for real estate projects, but many other failures. Trump Airlines, the New Jersey Generals, Trump University to name some off the top of my head. Even some of his symbols of wealth have been repossessed. Remember the yacht Trump Princess?

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/set-an-open-course-for-the-virgin-sea
 
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Just returned from local distillery that is making hand sanitizer , sanitizer is quite thin and comes in a quarter litre bottle that you just pour ... I thought maybe drenching some dried out handy wipes I found in wife’s Jeep and stored in heavy weight zip lock bags would be handy to keep in each vehicle ,if it does not evaporate , I use the same bags in ride season to drench microfibre cloth with glass cleaner for face shield and it stays good for a season in tank bag .... think my hand sanitizer set up might work ? ... they say clean hands and distancing best things we can do for ourselves besides just staying home .....
 
PHIL L said:
Divided for years now, having observed virulent, criminal acts of opposition towards this administration, outside influence on our elected officials has been never so clear. From the onset, prior to winning or taking office, the word "resist" describes it best. G and find or create any opposition available and use to attack and destroy. Controlling powers over media, Judicial and Intelligence branches, bias permitting lies and abuse of powers. Fault is to be shared by all in government. Russia, Dossier, Ukraine, on and on. Hurling rants of racism and xenophobia because of imposed China travel restrictions. Aid package to the people hog tied for days because of agenda, unrelated pork. The opposition is not about or for the people but for the change of this republic
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Phil,
Whilst there is definitely more noise about the current President it is not unique - Obama also faced a lot of criticism and I recall during the first few months of his tenure there was a drive to prove he was not American and had terrorist ties, racism claims followed his lack of intervention in Charlottesville etc Bush also had his critics..., as I say, the issue with DT is that the noise is louder (greater technology gets the message out faster and louder) nor is it peculiar to the USA - it seems to be an unpleasant facet of the media towards whoever is in power, wherever they are elected. Probably a result of all our leaders being elected by less than 50% of those who vote - usually around 45%, factor in those eligible to vote who don’t and the leaders are elected by around 30% of those eligible to vote - leaving 70% who didn’t vote for whichever leader to be pissed off at everything they do
Just saying.
 
Eljahara said:
Obama also faced a lot of criticism and I recall during the first few months of his tenure there was a drive to prove he was not American
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And who was one of the “deniers”? Donald J Trump. Said he had investigators in Hawaii with proof Obama was not born there. LIAR! LIAR! LIAR! So true, the old adage, “What’s goes around comes around”.
 
Just saw something interesting. Montana, which was COVID-19 free a couple of weeks ago now has 5 COVID-19 deaths and 252 COVID-19 cases. This shit is spreading like wild fire. It will continue to do so until either a vaccine is found or everyone is tested and those testing positive are completely isolated.
 
The latest news in Australia is the rate of increase of coronavirus infections has halved. However Australians might be much more compliant than Americans or Europeans. In a crisis, we tend to work together towards a common goal.
A lot has to do with leadership - if you lead, they will follow ? Leading by example is important in a democracy. However in wartime Australian officers don't lead from the front, they stay behind and plan well and leave the hard stuff to the non-coms
 
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JimC said:
And who was one of the “deniers”? Donald J Trump. Said he had investigators in Hawaii with proof Obama was not born there. LIAR! LIAR! LIAR! So true, the old adage, “What’s goes around comes around”.
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I am not defending Trump! I know he was one of the key players in trying to smear Obama - just trying to show that no matter who is in power now, wherever they are in the world, they are pissing off a large proportion of the people they “represent”
 
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