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Brexit or no Brexit

Discussion in 'Access Norton Pub' started by Bernhard, Dec 13, 2018.

  1. chris plant

    chris plant

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    the eu is trying to hold us to ransom,if I was the captain it be my deal or no deal,as the old song goes,we got along before we met you so we,ll get along without you now. no deal xxxx em
     
  2. acotrel

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    There is more at play than simply the EU. Neoliberal globalisation is promoted by the World Trade Organisation and the International Monetary Fund. Effectively , there is probably no escape. Brexit is probably mere tokenism. In the end, there are still people on this planet who want to retire to Monaco/Monte Carlo and live in luxury with the rest of the schonks. All any of the rest of us can do, is play with the cards we have been dealt.
     
  3. acotrel

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    I would not be surprised if everything Theresa May does is fully directed from above. Justice must be seen to be done ? In any given situation, there must always be a balance between democracy and control. How do we know when we are being manipulated ?
     
  4. Bernhard

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    I have reread the Page 6 from slick and it goes as follows;

    “Curiously, the main stream media in the US has little, if any coverage, of the events in France. The globalists do not want us to know any of this.” Slick

    He was referring to the UNITED STATES media ----NOT the UK media of which the French riots which has been all over the news- I only quoted what Slick quoted on page 6-if he had missed the news about it, then he is misinformed.
     
  5. acotrel

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    When Reagan and Thatcher introduced Hayek's neoliberal globalism, they would have been well aware of the potential for an adverse public response. I suspect the process is irreversible regardless of how much outcry there might be. In any game, you can only play with the cards you are dealt. I think we have been stitched-up. In Australia, neoliberalism was introduced by the right-wing faction of the left. Most people were unaware of what was being done to them.
     
  6. Danno

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    If people with too much money and power would only pause to consider the ripple effect of their actions. Big-picture people tend to myopia when it comes to ground-level life. Don't attempt to confuse them with facts.

    Every time in history the bankers have been turned loose, they have managed to screw things up. Every time they've been throttled by the imposed ethics of regulation, things have been better for everyone else. There is a money-taking currently in progress in the US and likely the world (stock market dive, tax cuts for the top echelon) and somebody has to pay for it.
     
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  7. frankdamp

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    Many folk in Europe and the UK aren't aware of the local nature of most US media, particularly newspapers. With relatively few exceptions, "mainstream" newspapers are actually regional. In our area we have the Seattle Times (based 75 miles away) the Everett Herald (60 miles away) and the Skagit Valley Herald (local). We have no retail "newsagents" like the UK. If we want a national newspaper, we have to become subscribers and get it every day. They aren't cheap.

    We do get "national" news from TV, usually in the evenings and most people only watch their favorite channel. They are put out from the national networks through local affiliates.
     
  8. Craig

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    I thought “entertainment tonight” was most watched News Show in America ..... sorry just had to put that out there .....
     
  9. Madnorton

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    Cry baby May as she is known in the EU, I think it has dawned on her what is going to happen to the UK will act as deterent to other countries thinking they can leave the union.

    I like going to Germany, it is like being the England of old. I hear more english spoken there than I do in my own town, and people dress like europeans - not like those coming from the middle east.

    The sooner we leave the better, the rest of the EU will crumble shortly after.
     
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  10. xbacksideslider

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    Danno- do we not have greater regulation of banks now than ever before?

    I’d suggest that “regulation” generally is a sham word that covers for the collusion of the supposedly regulated and the captured “regulators” sold to them by politicians.
     
  11. Danno

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    The big mistake was the Clinton-era repeal of the Glass-Steagal Act, which let the big banks put the small ones out of business. Then, through the use of derivatives, the big boys had a several-trillion-dollar money-taking that nearly sank the world economy. Obama-era regs have been gutted by the Trump administration and their toadies in the Republican-controlled Congress, who obviously believe big money, and not individual voters should control the US and by proxy, the world. I suggest "free markets" are only free to those with enough means to have their way regardless of ethical or moral concerns. Ideas that work when everyone does the right thing have little credence in a dog-eat-dog environment and libertarianism and free markets are two of those. Ideally, we
    wouldn't need ANY regulations, but people can't be trusted to act in any manner contrary to their own personal gain. Like the space program, little benefit is seen on the face value, but many good things spring from the associated technology. Tough banking regulation brings harrumphs from the cigar smoke-filled rooms and scorn from free-market supporters, but the benefits have always come to the rest of us. Read the history of every economic downturn this country has ever experienced and at the core you'll find greedy bastards who were given free reign by their rented politicians. Every "legal" scheme to produce profit without an actual product is theft.
     
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  12. frankdamp

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    Danno:

    I was interested in your comment that nobody should go to work for a French company. Our son, an US-born child of immigrant Brits who was working for a small architectural office in Edmonds, WA, was recruited and hired by Dassault Electronics to go work for them in Japan. He served his US military service in the Navy at their base near Tokyo. His wife is Japanese, met and married while on deployment.

    He's doing very well with Dassault - second or third level management (not sure which) at 42 after about 7 years. Apparently, the combination of working for a French company in Japan negates a lot of the poor opinions about the French. Unlike the chintzy Japanese vacation allowances, he gets the generous French ones and he and our grand-daughter come over for a couple of weeks away from the sticky Japanese summer climate almost every year. His only regret is the conference calls with Dassault-Paris. Because of the time difference, they start late in the evening and he often has to hurry them along to avoid missing the last train home!
     
  13. acotrel

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    One of the things which makes America different to Australia, is the excellent way the Americans usually manage risk. In Australia in recent times, two conservative Prime Ministers have made the same statement : 'we should manage issues as they arise and not n the basis of what might happen'. Almost none of them will ever answer an hypothetical question, even when it raises a valid concern. In effect our politicians run on blind faith. Since the time of Hawke and Keating, we have blindly accepted neoliberal globalism as being the norm. Every productivity improvement which is ever proposed by the Australian Productivity Commission, is based on neoliberalism - usually involves destroying a regulatory bureaucracy. As a consequence, our state police now get involved in some very unusual activities. In a couple of instances, there have been interventions by the Prime minister himself. All of this is simply a matter of keeping up appearances, but eventually there must be consequences.
     
  14. Tigernut

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    Tuberous and livery times - I like it!
     
  15. acotrel

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    In Australia, we have the Australian Broadcasting Corporation - most of the staff are or were public servants. It is supposed to be independent. However the Conservatives have worked steadily to destroy it by putting their own people as Chairman of the board and Operations Manager and cutting funding to manipulate content. Our Conservatives love Murdoch - he usually gets them elected by bullshitting to the youngies in the mortgage belt.
    In 1948, Menzies was elected. He had the war industries to play with. From that time until now, most governments have been conservative and we have almost completely lost our technology base.
     
  16. Woody850

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    Being a Scot living in Germany I cannot think how the media have reacted being led by fools of politicians, I shame myself for my country but still proud enough to retain my British citizenship, many are jumping the sinking ship for good reasons.
    The shock was plain to see on the faces of the public when the vote was drawn, they thought it was a game, well people you are roasting in a fire and you have pulled younger generations into something they don't want. I need say no more, just that this subject finding its way into the forum spreads alarm. Perhaps there are members who voted yes, well should your employer be a German company don't wonder about your future.
     
  17. Fast Eddie

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    A lot of people voted yes woody... more than those who voted no...
     
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  18. kommando

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    My ex Employer was German, good riddance to them if they leave.
     
  19. Woody850

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    From what I heard it wasn't an absolute majority more like a squish over the line and we musn't forget the non-voters.
    Never mind I don't want to argue. I belong to the elder variant of citizen and friends of mine also in that age group disgusted me by voting for it, think of your children and grandchildren I said to them.
    I must quote a text sent to me by someone viewing the outeers during the results.
    "The poll was read and the faces dropped, they were unwilling to accept they had won."
     
  20. Woody850

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    That is how it is I am afraid sometimes with employers but he does pay you so you can keep your nice bike on the road.