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Brexit or no Brexit

Discussion in 'Access Norton Pub' started by Bernhard, Dec 13, 2018.

  1. Fast Eddie

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    Bit harsh.

    They’re not that bad...
     
  2. Danno

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    So much for the freedom of information!?:confused:[/QUOTE]
    It's been all over the national news here, including interviews with the yellowjackets o whatever they call themselves.
     
  3. Danno

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    Coal mining, despite all the political histrionics, is nearly dead in the US, what with the price of natural gas being so cheap. Three young jobless people were just rescued from a coal mine in West Virginia, where they were scrounging for old copper wire to scrap and got lost. The areas of the US that used to depend on the mines for jobs must either adapt to change or watch their young people starve and turn into scrappers like the lost trio. There are still a few mines operating here is Southern Illinois, but I have no idea where their product is going. China, maybe? Coal-fired power plants that do not have natural gas capability are going the way of the dinosaur.
     
  4. xbacksideslider

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    The media coverage of the “Yellow Jacket” riots, as usual here in the US is slanted to cover for problems created by the state

    No anti government/anti globalist explanation is allowed. As a result the audience is left with the idea there are riots, just riots, mindless riots, something vaguely about gas taxes.

    This is a Libertarian explanation that shows up the pro state bias of the MSM
     
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  5. xbacksideslider

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    Here’s another explanation, from the Bernie Sanders Left, long but very insightful. Far exceeds ANYTHING reported in American MSM -

     
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  6. Danno

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    All I've seen is rioting, fires, looting,destruction of private property and nearly nothing about the government's inability to cope with the issue-sorta like Brexit. What channel are you watching that blames the State for everything, because I haven't seen it?
     
  7. xbacksideslider

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    A tea party in Paris?

     
  8. acotrel

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    I have always been of two minds about globalism. You can argue that third world countries deserve their opportunity to prosper, but 'charity begins at home'. Neoliberal globalism is based upon competition between organisations, but competition between nations (nationalism) is not supposed to happen. I don't think anybody has told that to the Chinese, the Germans, South Koreans or Japanese. What I find interesting is the role of American industrial lobby groups in neoliberal globalisation . Who set up the Chinese, Japanese and South Korean manufacturers ? Most western democracies have unionised workforces. It must not have been difficult to transfer intellectual property and quality management systems to Asia where labour is cheaper and industrial deaths and injuries and pollution, matter less.
     
  9. acotrel

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    One thing I would say about the French is that the top end of their society can be very callous about the bottom end. When I was I France a guy had a bit of a go at me about compulsory voting in Australia - in a democracy. I didn't answer him, but in Australia, it is very rare that we ever conscript people for military service and we would never shoot one in ten of our soldiers for mutiny. However voting is compulsory for all eligible people. Two of our most basic values are collectivism and 'the fair go'. - Theoretically, nobody gets left behind. The French have that revolution in their background. In Australia, insurrection has only ever occurred in very minor forms.
     
  10. Peter R

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    It's not just looting and destruction of property, the media in the U.S (and in Europe too) give a distorted view of the reality. Many have seen this coming for a long time.
    take some time to read this : https://quodverum.com/2018/12/344/france-understanding-the-gilets-jaunes-uprising.html
    I worked some time for a French company, and can guarantee that every word is true.
     
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  11. Danno

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    Well, I slogged through that whole piece and I didn't read anything that surprised me. You would have to be some sort of carpetbagger or running from certain death to want to migrate there. So their gene pool is stagnant except for the poor and bedraggled fleeing death in the desert. Their people aren't motivated to peace due to the constant struggle for survival and the deaf ears of the rulers. I'm surprised there aren't riots here but some people profess to like what's going on. The world is becoming more homogenous and less diverse and the problems are the same everywhere. The only difference is what people do about it.
     
  12. Bernhard

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    https://quodverum.com/2018/12/344/france-understanding-the-gilets-jaunes-uprising.html

    Cannot say I am shocked by this article /comments;

    Re; “The French state has been bankrupt since 2004 A minister finally admitted it in 2013.”

    Which is one reason why, the EU wants a £38 million divorce bill from the UK for leaving . . . .?



    Re; “What makes the gilets jaunes protests unique?” – and- “Another lesson from history, that French elites appear to have forgotten? National identity and character doesn’t die easy. The French have always been a revolutionary culture. They still are.”

    As one French man has stated on UK TV news “what we need is another revolution!”

    We in the UK voted in 1972 to enter the European Common Market after years of being denied by French President Charles de Gaulle who vetoed British membership, held back the development of Parliament's powers and was at the centre of the 'empty chair crisis' of 1965.

    We were NOT told about some of the going on by any political party, which, if we had known about would have been a different national result!

    The ECM is a different entirely from the EU we have today as they kept moving the goalposts - if you lookup the history, you will know what I'm talking about.

    When we voted to leave the EU, we in the UK were Not told about, by any political party, that there would be a high leaving bill, an embargo, it seems, on the Irish border e.t.c. which resulted in a , it appears, an political impasse – that cannot be resolved!
     
  13. Bernhard

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    It's been all over the national news here, including interviews with the yellowjackets o whatever they call themselves.[/QUOTE]
    You have misquoted me the page clearly stated that he was referring to the US!!!???????
     
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  15. Danno

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    You have misquoted me the page clearly stated that he was referring to the US!!!???????[/QUOTE]
    I'm not understanding you, but there's plenty of news about Brexit and the Yellowjacket riots. I'm not in tune with want the "globalists" want or are doing and I don't understand why everyone throws the media into the fire as soon as the shit hits the fan. Of course there are good and bad reasons for what's happening, but all one has to do is follow the money (or the artificially-created vaccuums that manage to siphon most of the wealth off). Those with big money hold real power and political power sucks hind tit. As Ronald Reagan's mentor Jack Welch said, "Ideally, corporations should be based on barges and towed from port-to-port to take advantage of the lowest taxes and the most lax regulation." If that's what's meant by 'globalism" it's old news and the barges have sailed.
     
  16. frankdamp

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    There wouldn't be a need for Brexit if some idiot PM hadn't got suckered into a "Brentry". The UK had almost nothing in common with Europe back then. As I remember, the then US president offered to form a "North Atlantic Trade Association" with the UK, Canada, Iceland and Greenland as members, but the then PM (Wilson ?) turned it down.

    Does the PM plan to remove all the signs in the UK with metric dimensions and also revert to the old pounds, shillings and pence currency? At least the UK didn't get suckered into switching to driving on the other side of the road!
     
  17. Eljahara

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    If they change back to imperial measures then all the motorists - two and four wheels - would have a heart attack at the cost of a gallon of petrol (gas) - currently around £6 (or $6!)
     
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  18. Fast Eddie

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    Agreed, my post was a typo and I meant to say “no one should let facts get in the way of personal opinion”!
     
  19. Eljahara

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    That’s what it says on my screen
    ;)
     
  20. Fast Eddie

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    So it does! I was misguided by Bernard’s accidental miss quote !