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Stephen_Spencer said:
Hadn’t seen the first one - well spotted. Quick check shows that’s the only one GB M/C products sell on their website. A revised version maybe - less parts, cheaper to manufacture.

Assuming they both work as designed why wouldn’t you opt for the first one. The CNW version is even simpler, so obviously no real need for the raised ring and handle configuration.

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With the One -07 clutch tool , you will also need the balance gear jam tool he was making. The long arm is what stops the basket from turning so you can loosen the nut ..
 
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Useful info from Stu, on FB.

Although the in-line strainer is designated for fuel, not oil? Looks like the same item though.

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This has been covered before. If a customer really wants to keep the inline, we recommend going to the Pingel one.

If anyone wants the stock one, I have a dozen OEM in stock. Just pay for the shipping, and you can have one or two

Personally, I wouldn't have the inline to limit oil starvation for the lifters. The check ball already chokes the system down so much(again covered at length)
 
Proflow make several with the correct spec. I cannot find a Pingel option @ 100 microns.

Interesting that the lower Proflow option here appears to show the direction of flow arrow (if that’s what it is) opposite to how this item would be fitted; on the 961, cap uppermost. Ideas?

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Stephen_Spencer said:
Proflow make several with the correct spec. I cannot find a Pingel option @ 100 microns.

Interesting that the lower Proflow option here appears to show the direction of flow arrow (if that’s what it is) opposite to how this item would be fitted; on the 961, cap uppermost. Ideas?
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The USP of Pingel is that their products FLOW better.

Given the issues around flow on 961s as cited above by City Garage, this is a big benefit.

Their bodies are of a superior design and construction too, so leaks are highly unlikely if assembled correctly.

Also of importance to you SS… they add a bit of bling !!

Finally, you are correct in being unable to find a 100 micron Pingel filter… that’s because their sintered elements are far superior to the gauze / sieve type. The Pingel sintered filter element is rated at 40 microns.

In summary,:
Better flow
Better filtration
No leaks
More bling

The only downside is they cost a few bucks more than the leaky, poor flowing, poor filtering cheap China sourced alternatives.
 
I’m sure that Brummy Norton have better frame washing facilities than Donnington had ( I.e. none according to Stu), so I wonder if the filter is really necessary anyway?
 
Fast Eddie said:
The USP of Pingel is that their products FLOW better.

Given the issues around flow on 961s as cited above by City Garage, this is a big benefit.

Their bodies are of a superior design and construction too, so leaks are highly unlikely if assembled correctly.

Also of importance to you SS… they add a bit of bling !!

Finally, you are correct in being unable to find a 100 micron Pingel filter… that’s because their sintered elements are far superior to the gauze / sieve type. The Pingel sintered filter element is rated at 40 microns.

In summary,:
Better flow
Better filtration
No leaks
More bling

The only downside is they cost a few bucks more than the leaky, poor flowing, poor filtering cheap China sourced alternatives.
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Ok, ok, ya got me! I had already decided on the ‘blingy’ option before I checked out the specs🤣!

Good info though FE - I will opt for the Pingel for my next service. Clearly the better quality item. Happy to leave the in-line strainer in place for now; may remove it in future👍.
 
Stephen_Spencer said:
Proflow make several with the correct spec. I cannot find a Pingel option @ 100 microns.

Interesting that the lower Proflow option here appears to show the direction of flow arrow (if that’s what it is) opposite to how this item would be fitted; on the 961, cap uppermost. Ideas?





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Wow! That's cheap for something made of silver :D (Yes, I know they are aluminum, but is says "polished silver")
 
Don’t understand what’s going on with this in-line filter/strainer. It appears Norton is reversing the orientation of the filter on new bikes (and existing bikes under direction of a Service Bulletin) - it appears so as to align with the direction of flow arrow on the Proflow filter body.

For that to make sense to me the new pattern Proflow filter must have a reversed strainer basket. Not sure that is the case.

So it appears that (in this upside down(?) configuration) the basket is catching debris on its outside surface - not in the strainer basket as designed. This orientation also adds to the potential of the cap leaking - as shown below.

What am I missing?

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Stephen_Spencer said:
Don’t understand what’s going on with this in-line filter/strainer. It appears Norton is reversing the orientation of the filter on new bikes (and existing bikes under direction of a Service Bulletin) - it appears so as to align with the direction of flow arrow on the Proflow filter body.

For that to make sense to me the new pattern Proflow filter must have a reversed strainer basket. Not sure that is the case.

So it appears that (in this upside down(?) configuration) the basket is catching debris on its outside surface - not in the strainer basket as designed. This orientation also adds to the potential of the cap leaking - as shown below.

What am I missing?

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Probably because if the filter screen is in the downward position, it can fill up like a trash can and become plugged blocking oil flow.

If it’s installed upside down or backwards, it can’t fill up with debris and completely block the flow of oil.
I mean it could, if your frame has a ton of trash inside of it.

I personally would just remove it. Any trash that was or would have been inside the tank, has most likely already been caught after 1-2 oil changes. JMO.
 
I think a lot of people perhaps don’t understand how these work. The threads are simply not designed to seal anything. It is the internal rubber seals that do the sealing, the threads on the body are there purely to mechanically clamp the body together (and thus act upon the internal seals correctly).

Furthermore, a lot of the issues could just be caused by buying cheap shit parts. If the internal machining or internal rubbers are not correct, you’ll never get it to seal. I learnt this buying cheap in-line fuel filters YEARS ago !

It is frankly ridiculous that something so basic, so simple, is causing so much ‘noise’ for Norton.

City Garage and NorTriDuc have nailed it, Norton should simply ensure the frames are properly clean internally, and eradicate the freakin’ thing altogether. There is then no problem to solve !
 
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Not understanding how these filter/strainers work seems to be an easy mistake to make it would seem - expecting a basket to collect debris in a conventional way, so that you can observe its contents and assess what detritus is moving through the oil ways.

A mistake so easy to make that Norton (old’n’new) have been making it for many years apparently - with the vast majority of 961’s currently sporting this filter upside down 🙃!

First time this incorrectly fitted assembly has been pointed out as such, despite the many (many) conversations we’ve had about it on this forum!🤣

I’ll check the contents of mine next service and if it’s completely empty eliminate it as advised👍
 
Stephen_Spencer said:
Not understanding how these filter/strainers work seems to be an easy mistake to make it would seem - expecting a basket to collect debris in a conventional way, so that you can observe its contents and assess what detritus is moving through the oil ways.

A mistake so easy to make that Norton (old’n’new) have been making it for many years apparently - with the vast majority of 961’s currently sporting this filter upside down 🙃!

First time this incorrectly fitted assembly has been pointed out as such, despite the many (many) conversations we’ve had about it on this forum!🤣

I’ll check the contents of mine next service and if it’s completely empty eliminate it as advised👍
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My point about the lack of understanding was regards to how to assemble one leak free.

The upside-down thing is a lesser topic IMO, the thing will still ‘sieve’ out debris whichever ways it’s fitted.

It will also leak whichever way it’s fitted if assembled poorly… and remain oil tight whichever way it’s fitted if assembled (and manufactured) correctly !
 
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A typical oil cartridge filter is good for 30 microns so 100 microns will not filter as well as a standard oil filter but if its only purpose is to filter frame debris and this is larger than 100 micron then it's not a disadvantage. Also with it being such a small filter then 30 or 40 microns may fill it up too quickly between changes running the risk of oil restriction. So on the face of it the Pingle at 40 micron is the better option but I would monitor it to ensure it does not get clogged.
 
In a gravity feed like the 961 has, wouldn’t such a fine filter restrict the flow to the pump? I think I’d setup a test rig to see before fitting one to my bike.
 
Fitting the item leak free is’nt really an issue from my experience, as long as a little care is taken and the correct o-ring is used. Maybe don’t necessarily trust a dealer mechanic to do so though!!! Imagine my suprise when I serviced mine recently.

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Suppose then it actually does’nt matter which way up it is mounted on the 961, as I guess it’s extremely unlikely that there would ever be enough debris present to block the filter whichever orientation it has.

Be interesting to know just how much the filter does restrict the flow to the pump. It appears to flow quite freely from the feed side banjo union when draining the oil.
 

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