Oil Change Demon

Stephen_Spencer said:

Fitting the item leak free is’nt really an issue from my experience, as long as a little care is taken and the correct o-ring is used. Maybe don’t necessarily trust a dealer mechanic to do so though!!! Imagine my suprise when I serviced mine recently.

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Suppose then it actually does’nt matter which way up it is mounted on the 961, as I guess it’s extremely unlikely that there would ever be enough debris present to block the filter whichever orientation it has.

Be interesting to know just how much the filter does restrict the flow to the pump. It appears to flow quite freely from the feed side banjo union when draining the oil.

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My comment about flow restriction was really aimed at things like the the Pingel sintered filter 40 micron element.

cliffa said:

My comment about flow restriction was really aimed at things like the the Pingel sintered filter 40 micron element.

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As stated already, the USP of the Pingel is increased flow over the alternative designs, so I rather suspect your concern is misplaced. However, I have never tested them.

Stephen_Spencer said:

Fitting the item leak free is’nt really an issue from my experience, as long as a little care is taken and the correct o-ring is used. Maybe don’t necessarily trust a dealer mechanic to do so though!!! Imagine my suprise when I serviced mine recently.

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Suppose then it actually does’nt matter which way up it is mounted on the 961, as I guess it’s extremely unlikely that there would ever be enough debris present to block the filter whichever orientation it has.

Be interesting to know just how much the filter does restrict the flow to the pump. It appears to flow quite freely from the feed side banjo union when draining the oil.

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That really is quiet shocking.

If they don’t have the mechanical aptitude to manage something as simple as that, then the mind boggles as to what else they might short cut, fuck up, or just not do !?!

Fast Eddie said:

As stated already, the USP of the Pingel is increased flow over the alternative designs, so I rather suspect your concern is misplaced. However, I have never tested them.

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True, however, nowhere do they state they are suitable as oil filters ( as far as I could see).

cliffa said:

True, however, nowhere do they state they are suitable as oil filters ( as far as I could see).

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I have been reading all of these posts and I want to say the filter better be designed to flow oil not gas. The one you want is like this :

This has a coarse filter and a magnet.

Stephen_Spencer said:

Fitting the item leak free is’nt really an issue from my experience, as long as a little care is taken and the correct o-ring is used. Maybe don’t necessarily trust a dealer mechanic to do so though!!! Imagine my suprise when I serviced mine recently.

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Suppose then it actually does’nt matter which way up it is mounted on the 961, as I guess it’s extremely unlikely that there would ever be enough debris present to block the filter whichever orientation it has.

Be interesting to know just how much the filter does restrict the flow to the pump. It appears to flow quite freely from the feed side banjo union when draining the oil.

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That’s disgusting! I doubt whoever used that RTV sealer would have stood behind their work.
Especially if the motor tied up from oil starvation.

I strongly recommend just removing that filter and fitting a new one piece hose as the older Donington bikes had.

Why deal with the headaches of a possible oil leak and reduced oil flow? Not worth it.

TonyA said:

I have been reading all of these posts and I want to say the filter better be designed to flow oil not gas. The one you want is like this :

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This has a coarse filter and a magnet.

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I talked to someone at Pingle about that specific issue, and they stated that the issue was pressure and depending on the filter, the element(paper, screen, etc). Their filter was designed for gravity "fuel systems," and the only worry was if it would be used on a pressured oil system, as it has not been tested or rated. That said, there is no prohibition against using it on other applications

The element in the Pingle is bronze, so won't get hurt by oil

Remeber this filter was only to remove large "particulate" from a crappy welding and design. It's to cover a design failure, not a "filter."

If owners are worried about the inline filter but haven’t even checked the oil pump or the check ball, then they are focused on the wrong issue. If you don’t know what your oil pressure is at startup or at idle, that’s another sign you're looking in the wrong place. You might be surprised just how low the pressure is when the bike first starts.

I can only speak for myself, but I don’t worry about the in-line filter - although I will remove it next service if it is completely clear because ignoring advice from guys that know better is just dumb.

Don’t doubt what CG is saying about oil pressure but with filter fitted (correctly) I’m not looking for a problem. Bike starts on the button, oil pressure light goes out quickly and she settles straight into correct idle. Running sweet as a nut - less idle at the halt when hot sometimes.

I know there are potential problems lingering on my bike but after 8 years and (admittedly only) 15k, she’s behaving. So apart from taking a peek at the clutch basket/ring gear scenario next service, I’m gonna leave well alone. Time will tell whether that’s the correct approach.

Good to run these issues to the ground though of course - s’wat this forum is all about.

Stephen_Spencer said:

I know there are potential problems lingering on my bike but after 8 years and (admittedly only) 15k, she’s behaving. So apart from taking a peek at the clutch basket/ring gear scenario next service, I’m gonna leave well alone. Time will tell whether that’s the correct approach.

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Add checking the oil lines. After all those years of exposure to heat, you want to ensure they maintain their OEM shape. And I agree with the if it isn't broke, don't fix it statement, but do keep a careful eye on things, and if you can, really do an oil pressure check during routine maintenance. It's a cheap tool to make and use

City Garage said:

Add checking the oil lines. After all those years of exposure to heat, you want to ensure they maintain their OEM shape. And I agree with the if it isn't broke, don't fix it statement, but do keep a careful eye on things, and if you can, really do an oil pressure check during routine maintenance. It's a cheap tool to make and use

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I remember the thread that included the setup for testing oil pressure - I’ll have another read and look at adding that to the service. Certainly the checking of oil lines which I for one have’nt been doing thoroughly. Thanks.

Don’t think I’ll go as far as Ricky did though; don’t need anything else to worry about on each ride. Well implemented though!

Stephen_Spencer said:

I remember the thread that included the setup for testing oil pressure - I’ll have another read and look at adding that to the service. Certainly the checking of oil lines which I for one have’nt been doing thoroughly. Thanks.

Don’t think I’ll go as far as Ricky did though; don’t need anything else to worry about on each ride. Well implemented though!

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No that's a little carried away!!