Wiring tips n tricks...?

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Heat shrink is also available with hot melt glue inside. Make sure the wires are in the shape you need before you heat.
 
Nater_Potater said:
nickguzzi said:
The Cibie Z beam was a great bike headlamp. Excellent penetration and very even lateral spread. The light is noticeably whiter too.
Unfortunately no longer available unless you stumble on some NOS. Or get a decent second hand one. A few places still list them, but no stock when I inquired.
I have been looking for 7" headlamps for a friends Land Rover.

I recently bought a NOS Hella lamp, but I've yet to install it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 1518938933 This guy accepts a standard H4-style bulb, and has provisions for a running light; something missing on today's modern headlamp assemblies. At $23 USD, I thought it'd be worth the gamble.

Nathan
BOTH THE WAGNER AND THE HELLA HAVE PROVISION FOR A PARK BULB. I use the standard size[ wattage ] bulb as well. I don't believe in the 100 waters etc.
 
Nater_Potater said:
nickguzzi said:
The Cibie Z beam was a great bike headlamp. Excellent penetration and very even lateral spread. The light is noticeably whiter too.
Unfortunately no longer available unless you stumble on some NOS. Or get a decent second hand one. A few places still list them, but no stock when I inquired.
I have been looking for 7" headlamps for a friends Land Rover.

I recently bought a NOS Hella lamp, but I've yet to install it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 1518938933 This guy accepts a standard H4-style bulb, and has provisions for a running light; something missing on today's modern headlamp assemblies. At $23 USD, I thought it'd be worth the gamble.

Nathan
just realized, you guys have back to front lights in the US, NO GOOD OVER HERE. BUGGER.
 
Fast Eddie said:
pdl999 said:
Eddie

I use this woven sheathing that expands when pushed together, making it very easy to thread over wires, then contracts again when you let go. I then 'seal' each end with a short length of heat shrink sleeving.

I've used that too and it produces a great result. You can "break-out" wires from the main loom by poking through the web. The only thing I'd add is to use the adhesive heat-shrink. It really grips well.

The one departure from uber simplicity that I am considering is the use of a relay for the headlight, as recommended by many of you chaps. Could someone tell me which is the relay to use here?

I have used the Vehicle Wiring Products R20B relay on a couple of bikes with complete success.

Their thin wall wire is also ideal as it takes up much less room than the usual stuff.

YES, THE 5 BLAQDE CHANGE OVER RELAY CAN BE USED INSTEAD OF THAT EXPENSIVE WARNING LIGHT ASSIMILATOR. JUST HAVE TO WIRE IT RIGHT. [ REMEMBER THE WARNING LIGH PLAYS NO PART IN THE CHARGING CIRCUIT ON A NORTON, UNLIKE A CAR WHERE THE LIGHT ACTUATES THE ARMATURE WIRING.

David

Thanks David. I'm just a tad shocked at how ridiculously cheap the R20B relays are !!
 
kerinorton said:
Nater_Potater said:
nickguzzi said:
The Cibie Z beam was a great bike headlamp. Excellent penetration and very even lateral spread. The light is noticeably whiter too.
Unfortunately no longer available unless you stumble on some NOS. Or get a decent second hand one. A few places still list them, but no stock when I inquired.
I have been looking for 7" headlamps for a friends Land Rover.

Nathan
just realized, you guys have back to front lights in the US, NO GOOD OVER HERE. BUGGER.

You might find a 7inch Cibie in a breakers yard on an old Peugeot or other foreign Model Range.
 
The Cibie Z beam was a motorcycle specific lens/reflector system. It had a very different light pattern to normal car or truck headlamps. I tried quite a few different Cibie variants when I could get them new.
The ones I have seen recently have always turned yellow, whether with dirt inside the glass or corrosion on the reflector I don't know. But not worth the effort - the dullness is not nice to ride behind.
 
nickguzzi said:
The Cibie Z beam was a motorcycle specific lens/reflector system. It had a very different light pattern to normal car or truck headlamps. I tried quite a few different Cibie variants when I could get them new.
The ones I have seen recently have always turned yellow, whether with dirt inside the glass or corrosion on the reflector I don't know. But not worth the effort - the dullness is not nice to ride behind.

You could say that they turned yellow because the French have yellow headlights in their country :!: :(
Incidentally some of the Cibie ones that were made for motorcycles had a change over switch fitted for RH or LH dip :!:
 
Bernhard said:
Incidentally some of the Cibie ones that were made for motorcycles had a change over switch fitted for RH or LH dip :!:
Good point! I had one back in the day, and there was a little slider bar where the lamp was inserted into the rear of the housing, and it allowed the lamp to be rotated either way about 5° left or right. I'd completely forgotten about that until you mentioned it. My, where has the time gone?
 
Bernhard said:
nickguzzi said:
The Cibie Z beam was a motorcycle specific lens/reflector system. It had a very different light pattern to normal car or truck headlamps. I tried quite a few different Cibie variants when I could get them new.
The ones I have seen recently have always turned yellow, whether with dirt inside the glass or corrosion on the reflector I don't know. But not worth the effort - the dullness is not nice to ride behind.

You could say that they turned yellow because the French have yellow headlights in their country :!: :(
Incidentally some of the Cibie ones that were made for motorcycles had a change over switch fitted for RH or LH dip :!:

That doesn't work . The lens is what controls where the dip beam goes. I wonder if I have been buying car head lamps for my bikes??????????????????????????????. [ yes I have ]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wonder if they make motorcycle ones. That could be the answer.

good luck with those relays you guys,. Bad luck for the suppliers though. Oh well. gotta find the short cuts to the good life
 
kerinorton said:
I wonder if I have been buying car head lamps for my bikes??????????????????????????????.

I have been running one for years. 3 prong. Awesome beam. Sylvania H6024.
 
A post of mine seems to have gone missing.

Car ones don't work, the cut off is wrong. When you heel into a bend, the light disappears - you can simulate the effect by turning your lights off as you enter a bend.
I suspect with the more or less abandonment of the 7" headlamp for OEM use, the only ones available are poor quality copies.
My next attempt may be a plain lens with the wibbly optic reflector type. Coupled with LED "bulbs", which are getting good press, with night shots of impressive proportions. Not so cheap at around £50 though.
These have quite a following in the dual sport market. A browse of ADV forum, especially the vendors section with give you at least half a dozen in the first couple of pages.
Allegedly giving superior output are the proper LED lamps. These use an optimsed light source in multiples, so you can more or less decide how bright you want the universe to be.
 
Bernard, it's now more than 20 years since it was a requirement for the French to suffer yellow headlamps. The speed at which they disappeared gave a clue as to how useless they were.
 
nickguzzi said:
Bernard, it's now more than 20 years since it was a requirement for the French to suffer yellow headlamps. The speed at which they disappeared gave a clue as to how useless they were.

Arhhh, Dam :!: -You just shushed me out-it was an "old" joke :(
 
Small fact about the French, who seem to be branded as cowards due to their avoidance of WW2, which the US also avoided until war was declared upon them by both Germany and Japan, about two years into the fight.
Much of WW1 occurred directly on French soil. The total number of French civilian and military dead during the war would , on a per capita basis, equate to three US 9/11 events occuring every day for four years, if one could imagine that. It is hard to fathom when you live in a country that has never been attacked then occupied by a large, powerful and destructive invading force.
No wonder they weren't keen on mixing it up with Hitler.
I'm not French, do not have any French ancestry, but hopefully the above gives some small understanding of the events.
Back to motorcycle program.

Glen
 
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