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Common sense and the idea of Free Speech says that being part of a "scene" does not mean someone/something is above criticism or instantly deserving of any respect.[/quote]


You mean like , early jap bikes , and H.D.s . . . :D
 
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Pathology is the study of physical disease, I don't see how that ties into Norton Commandos or whey they have been dredged up.

It is easy to make blanket statements about someone like "never has anything good to say", but they do not really mean anything unless you site specific examples. I never said anything about Norton Commandos or their history that was not 100% accurate. If you don't like something factual about your bike that has nothing to do with me. I would think owners would actually be interested in the history of their bikes, not trying to hide from it. I rode a Commando for years and it did the job, but I did not ignore what it was and what it wasn't, and I don't give the featherbed street bikes or any vintage bike a 10 out of 10.
The idea of a public arena where no one does anything but blow sunshine up each others' skirts with no conflict or debate is what should be odd.

The larger percentage involved with "vintage" bikes now have No contemporary history with them. The guys racing, restoring and riding the bikes from the 50's and 60's very often are not old enough to have been doing the same when the bikes were new, so they are snot-nosed kids next to their bikes and their original owners etc..

It is nice to have organizations like AHRMA etc. to give old bikes a chance to get on the track. Criticizing them or suggesting changes for them or anything else in a free society is a healthy practice.

As far as I know historically, Seeley never built a "1968 Seeley Commando", but when I google that phrase, you can find them racing in AHRMA along with other bikes that never existed until someone created them out of convenience. That is misleading and a disservice to those snot-nosed kids out there trying to look up information on those bikes and actual history.

Again, all 100% facts. Try it sometime.
 
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beng said:
Pathology is the study of physical disease,
Not even a lame try but the term used was pathological. See: http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/pathological

The more I read the definition, the more I see it.

beng said:
It is easy to make blanket statements about someone like "never has anything good to say", but they do not really mean anything unless you site specific examples.
Why specifics when so much of it is out there for everyone to read on AccessNorton, so much so that one will trip over it all. To me it is self evident but from your statements it does not sound like you are cognizant of what you are saying and why.

beng said:
I never said anything about Norton Commandos or their history that was not 100% accurate. If you don't like something factual about your bike that has nothing to do with me. I would think owners would actually be interested in the history of their bikes, not trying to hide from it. I rode a Commando for years and it did the job, but I did not ignore what it was and what it wasn't, and I don't give the featherbed street bikes or any vintage bike a 10 out of 10.
Fair and reasonable statement if true. I am certainly not going to waste my time verifying.

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The idea of a public arena where no one does anything but blow sunshine up each others' skirts with no conflict or debate is what should be odd
Perhaps this is why you come back for regular public mountings by the dogs of war. Conflict and debate are fine but name calling and/or unsubstantiated accusations etc. are, in my opinion, dysfunctional.

beng said:
The larger percentage involved with "vintage" bikes now have No contemporary history with them. The guys racing, restoring and riding the bikes from the 50's and 60's very often are not old enough to have been doing the same when the bikes were new, so they are snot-nosed kids next to their bikes and their original owners etc.
So because of birth order, they are by default, snot-nosed kids? Well I am glad you cleared that up and we all feel much better now. But seriously, so now we must have vintage riders and owners along with racers to meet the "beng standard"; I am going to clue you in as it sounds like you are a bit clueless here but most are too old, dead or have moved on to other things in life. You really cannot get to there from here. That is what time and real history does.

Look, it's like the Titanic, it sunk. Get over it.

beng said:
It is nice to have organizations like AHRMA etc. to give old bikes a chance to get on the track. Criticizing them or suggesting changes for them or anything else in a free society is a healthy practice.
Are you a member of AHRMA or WERA? Have you approached AHRMA or WERA with your brief off the top of your head summary model of Vintage racing and expressed in a cohesive way in writing? Have you attempted to get elected to a comitte on one of these organizations? Do you even road race? Have you started a new thread on this topic that is so near and dear to your heart to see how important it really is (like I suggested before)? I did not think so.

So all I hear is whining, and that is ok until the name calling and personal attacks start. I was assuming one being cognizant of their deeds and actions but I have now formed a strong opinion that this is likely not the case. I see the lack of rudimentary social skills or maybe a few deamons running around in the head.

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As far as I know historically, Seeley never built a "1968 Seeley Commando", but when I google that phrase, you can find them racing in AHRMA along with other bikes that never existed until someone created them out of convenience. That is misleading and a disservice to those snot-nosed kids out there trying to look up information on those bikes and actual history.
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Again, all 100% facts. Try it sometime.
So the term 1968 Seeley Commando is a bee under your bonnet. You base your silly hissy fits and personal attacks on "As far as I know historically" - now that is lame.

As I have requested in other threads and topics (you know which ones so don't bother citing the wrong ones again to mislead or deflect), please show me where this 1968 Seeley Commando is stated or recorded with malice or intent to mislead? To me you could simply be confusing labeling as it could simply come down to symantics where a statement such as 1968 Seeley (original or replica) and a Commando engine are married together. They certainly did this and continue to do this, but perhaps not in 1968. You figure this out before making personal attacks.

Please, I am just waiting in anticipation to see you coming over the horizon with that bucket of steam.

To me, this appears to be a fabrication, a neurosis driven by an unchecked jealousy or vice versa. (snot-nosed kids, $3,000 gear boxes etc.)

I feel this discussion is like pounding sand into someones ear and watching it rapidly dribble out of his other ear (faster than it is going in).

I am out of my depths here as I am not a psychiatrist. I will try to ignore the drivel and blating as I would the sudden outbursts from someone with Tourette's Syndrome.

Well flushed out. :)
 

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Maybe off-topic, but it seems logical to me that if you are personally comparing one bike against another, the best bike you have personally ever experienced should be YOUR "10". Any other bike YOU compare it to, would have YOUR comparative number.

Somebody else's "3", may be your personal "8" (and vice-versa).

Perhaps that's why I never bother to do more than glance at magazine "Top 10s"; I hardly ever agree with thier choices.
 
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Mr Dances

You're making a mistake. Just ignore the parts of BenG's posts which you don't like.
 
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Dances with Shrapnel said:
So the term 1968 Seeley Commando is a bee under your bonnet. You base your silly hissy fits and personal attacks on "As far as I know historically" - now that is lame.
Well flushed out. :)
DWS, Fact is You are the one that brought up an old thread about Seeley bikes, that is why I asked you what you were talking about remember? I took my stab and thought you were talking about the crankshafts. So if I had forgotten about it and moved on, but you are bringing things up from old threads, I guess you can start talking about yourself being pathological, and a hissy and having bees in your bonnet etc. right? When you bring old crap up and I do you the favor of responding to it, what is the problem again?

And when I say As Far As I Know, DWS YOU know that I have Seeley's book and have done other research on the subject etc., so actually it is as far as Seeley knows, he did not build any Commando engined bikes in 68' .

DWS and GP are also continually talking about some personal attacks, but never give one example or quote of such an attack.

If I say that a bike someone has built is not a historical replica of anything that ever existed in the classic era, and is racing it in AHRMA and it is a fact then I don't understand how quoting history or facts is an attack of any kind. If I say Hitler invaded Poland, that too is a fact and has nothing to do with my relationship with Hitler. If the person, organization etc. is not comfortable with the facts then again that is THEIR problem and it has nothing to do with me, the history buff.

Only once I remember getting a warning from LAB about using a cuss word for some reason, I don't remember the instance or circumstances, but If I ever need to know I guess I can ask DWS or GrandPaul as it seems to be their obsession....
 
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beng said:
If I say Hitler invaded Poland, that too is a fact and has nothing to do with my relationship with Hitler.
Statement of fact, correct. Making an inverse analog example of the above statement to make a point; what I would hear is elevating him and his "buddies" to sainthood for invading Poland instead of leaving it as just fact.

So we have people who race motorcycles that may or may not make any assertions (inadvertemnt or mis-understood) and you do not agree with whatever assertions people may or may not be making as to pedigree (statement of fact) and I hear "snot-nosed" kids (not fact). Why?

GP did illustrate the logistical nightmare of having vintage races run to your model and I seem to recall you acknowledge that problem and impracticality of achieving your idea of vintage racing. There does not seem to be a way to get it the way you see it but to use name calling; I really fail to see the point?

If I stepped into vintage road racing and it was structured as you proposed it I would have no problem with living within the rules, just as I have no problem with living with the rules of the current structure & classifications.
 
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Dances with Shrapnel said:
beng said:
If I say Hitler invaded Poland, that too is a fact and has nothing to do with my relationship with Hitler.
Statement of fact, correct. Making an inverse analog example of the above statement to make a point; what I would hear is elevating him and his "buddies" to sainthood for invading Poland instead of leaving it as just fact.

So we have people who race motorcycles that may or may not make any assertions (inadvertemnt or mis-understood) and you do not agree with whatever assertions people may or may not be making as to pedigree (statement of fact) and I hear "snot-nosed" kids (not fact). Why?

GP did illustrate the logistical nightmare of having vintage races run to your model and I seem to recall you acknowledge that problem and impracticality of achieving your idea of vintage racing. There does not seem to be a way to get it the way you see it but to use name calling; I really fail to see the point?

If I stepped into vintage road racing and it was structured as you proposed it I would have no problem with living within the rules, just as I have no problem with living with the rules of the current structure & classifications.
Apparently Dances didn't get them memo about not feeding trolls. :roll:
 
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swooshdave said:
Dances with Shrapnel said:
beng said:
If I say Hitler invaded Poland, that too is a fact and has nothing to do with my relationship with Hitler.
Statement of fact, correct. Making an inverse analog example of the above statement to make a point; what I would hear is elevating him and his "buddies" to sainthood for invading Poland instead of leaving it as just fact.

So we have people who race motorcycles that may or may not make any assertions (inadvertemnt or mis-understood) and you do not agree with whatever assertions people may or may not be making as to pedigree (statement of fact) and I hear "snot-nosed" kids (not fact). Why?

GP did illustrate the logistical nightmare of having vintage races run to your model and I seem to recall you acknowledge that problem and impracticality of achieving your idea of vintage racing. There does not seem to be a way to get it the way you see it but to use name calling; I really fail to see the point?

If I stepped into vintage road racing and it was structured as you proposed it I would have no problem with living within the rules, just as I have no problem with living with the rules of the current structure & classifications.
Apparently Dances didn't get them memo about not feeding trolls. :roll:
More like force feed.

Anyone ready for Fois Gras?
 
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beng said:
It is easy to make blanket statements about someone like "never has anything good to say", but they do not really mean anything unless you site specific examples. I never said anything about Norton Commandos or their history that was not 100% accurate.
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You could have equally said that most trail bikes these days have more horsepower than a manx norton - and are in the showroom, with warranty, at a fraction the price.
Or that 99SS etc bikes are rare because all the cranks blew out of them.

But it doesn't necessarily add anything the the conversation, or make for enjoyable reading.
We wanna hear good stuff - there is plenty about.
Remember, we iz here to have fun. Keep it like that......
 
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Triton Thrasher said:
Mr Dances You're making a mistake. Just ignore the parts of BenG's posts which you don't like.
Hi Thrasher, good to see you. That is a good piece of advice, would make threads he participates in much shorter. Maybe someone called him a snot-nosed kid when he was growing up and since then he is extra sensitive about it.

Who is not a snot-nosed kid or neophyte in some area of skill or knowledge? Certainly I am in countless areas. Knowing that the phrase should not carry any negative connotation, except for those with an over-inflated ego, but surely there is no one here that fits that description.......

Thrasher how about throwing up a pic of how your Triton currently appears, and how is it running? It has been my favorite for a long time, I especially like the way you crammed that slimline tank on it.
 
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Rohan said:
You could have equally said that 99SS etc bikes are rare because all the cranks blew out of them.
Right. I also could have said that Space Monkeys grabbed them and dropped them off on one of the moons of Neptune, but silly me would rather do something like look at facts such as the 99ss being produced for less than a year and a half in a quantity about 1/50th of Commando production.....
 
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beng said:
Triton Thrasher said:
Mr Dances You're making a mistake. Just ignore the parts of BenG's posts which you don't like.
Hi Thrasher, good to see you. That is a good piece of advice, would make threads he participates in much shorter. Maybe someone called him a snot-nosed kid when he was growing up and since then he is extra sensitive about it.

Who is not a snot-nosed kid or neophyte in some area of skill or knowledge? Certainly I am in countless areas. Knowing that the phrase should not carry any negative connotation, except for those with an over-inflated ego, but surely there is no one here that fits that description.......

Thrasher how about throwing up a pic of how your Triton currently appears, and how is it running? It has been my favorite for a long time, I especially like the way you crammed that slimline tank on it.
I am devastated :lol:

And Thrasher is one of your "friends" as Thrasher is advising me to ignore you. Adorable, truely adorable. :lol:
 
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Dances with Shrapnel said:
Are you a member of AHRMA or WERA? Have you approached AHRMA or WERA with your brief off the top of your head summary model of Vintage racing and expressed in a cohesive way in writing? Have you attempted to get elected to a comitte on one of these organizations?
Golly gee willikers, what do we have here? Oh, it is a piece done by a journalist in a motorcycle magazine back in 1963. Looks to be critical of the AMA, the Triumph Corporation employees sitting on the AMA competition committee and maybe the Triumph rider.
I am sure this is the only time anything like this ever happened huh? If you want, I have this journalist's current phone number(really I do) so you can call him up and ask him if he was an AMA member, an AMA committee member, and a motorcycle road racer, and if he meets any other criteria you may have for the general public before they comment on any organized sports they are interested in.
I certainly hope that those who bought the magazine this was published in off the stand did not talk about the article with any other fans or spectators of the sport! What a disservice he has done to the sport putting something like this out there in the public eye huh?

Publicity, scrutiny and criticism like this certainly could have had nothing to do with the AMA later reversing any decisions it made regarding the Matchless G-50 competing in later seasons, and it certainly could never be any help in making the AMA or the sport of motorcycling any better at all either.

Maybe public discussion of motorcycle racing should be banned by law, and we could also remove the bleachers from racetracks and keep the darn fans and journalists away from it all. Yeah, that would make things a lot better. Hopefully all other organized sports will follow DWS ideas on this too. Because his thinking is not unrealistic, or delusional or pathological or any of the other things he calls other people......

 
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Dances with Shrapnel said:
And Thrasher is one of your "friends" as Thrasher is advising me to ignore you. Adorable, truely adorable. :lol:
Adorable I may be, but I'm your friend, attempting to give you helpful advice. Use the info BG posts, or argue your point of view when you don't agree and just forget the rather barbed personal assumptions that he is inclined to make. This thread may end up with more personal stuff from you to him, than the other way round.

And tell your friend BenG that I'll post some pics in the 200bhp Norton thread when someone starts one.
 
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And tell your friend BenG that I'll post some pics in the 200bhp Norton thread when someone starts one.
Thanks for the friendly advice and I like your humor. :lol:
 

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And tell your friend BenG that I'll post some pics in the 200bhp Norton thread when someone starts one.
I'm stuck at 175; maybe if I install a Boyer...
 
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grandpaul said:
Triton Thrasher said:
And tell your friend BenG that I'll post some pics in the 200bhp Norton thread when someone starts one.
I'm stuck at 175; maybe if I install a Boyer...
It has more to do with the particular oil you use - let's start an oil thread :)
 
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beng said:
Rohan said:
You could have equally said that 99SS etc bikes are rare because all the cranks blew out of them.
Right. I also could have said that Space Monkeys grabbed them and dropped them off on one of the moons of Neptune, but silly me would rather do something like look at facts such as the 99ss being produced for less than a year and a half in a quantity about 1/50th of Commando production.....
Space monkeys are just a distraction from they had a weak bottom end . ?
There is also the minor matter that the 99SS models were not a huge sales success, they just didn't sell ?? Motorcycle sales then were going through a major slump, wasn't the mini supposed to have something to do with it ?

When you look closely, if you went hunting for a particular model of any Norton Dominator, they rarely were in production for longer than a year or 2 at most, before the b-annual styling or engineering changes. Except for the Atlas, which was produced in some volume for some years - although there were a few slight variations of them.
That makes any particular dommie model somewhat scarce ?
 
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I believe the 650ss was in production from 62 until 68 with very little change, just a few ancillary items.

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