Zachary Brown
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This is a thread to document my current project of building a salt flats Norton (AKA Salt Licker as named by my friend Sonny) at the request of a few people on this forum. This is gonna be a bit of a long one to start off with so bear with me. Its about 3 years worth of pictures and progress but I plan to keep updating as things progress leading to the 2024 Speed Week event. Planned on making it for this years event but had some snags in getting parts here.
Originally started out as a conversation between my dad and I in 2017 after finishing up my MK3 850 and watching The Worlds Fastest Indian (surprising no one I'm sure). During a visit to Leo Goff with a friend, Sonny Collier, I decided to bring up the possibility of building a Norton Commando salt bike to Leo and get his take on it. Ended up going with a 750cc engine to get the most possible out for the class. Obviously went for a hi-CR build aiming for maximum top end power(75-80hp as a goal). Now the existing SCTA 750 modified production pushrod gas record is 138-139mph. Final drive ratio was going to be a big factor in this project. After alot of math and searching I came up with the fact that I would need to have a 30 or 31T final drive sprocket. Which of course isn't something that is readily available. This posed another problem but we'll get into that later.
So now to find a donor bike to get this ball rolling. Spent a couple years waiting for the right bike to go up for sale. Didn't want to tear down a numbers matching high quality machine for this. Finally found a 1970 engine and trans that was put into a 1972 frame. While it solid and ran good it was in need of some work soon anyways so this was the perfect candidate. Made a 20hr one day trip to Florida to go pick it up and couldn't wait to get back to the shop and start tearing it down for full inspection.
Got to tearing down the bike and found the motor was in a little more rough shape than I thought (sadly didn't think to take pictures of the teardown like a dummy). On the outside the engine cases have some rough spots from road debris and looked corroded from years of sea air. Internally cylinders had been bored .040" over so I needed to source new barrels right out of the gate. The head had a couple fins missing and some pitting in the combustion chambers as well. Already not off to a good start for using the re-using much of the original motor. Moving onto the transmission it wasn't a whole lot better. Again years of sea air had corroded the exterior as well as some of the interior parts. Layshaft was worn out, all bearings needed to be replaced, and several of the gears showed more wear than I would've been comfortable re-using for an all-out run on the salt flats. The forks, swingarm, frame, gearbox cradle, and hubs were all in good shape. Rims and spokes had corrosion but those were already going to be replaced as part of the plan anyway.
Now the debate of to rebuild the engine and transmission or to just go from scratch with all new parts that are better alloys and better machined? Either way the wallet is gonna be hurting. Started with the transmission. Looked up prices for all the parts I'd need to replace in the stock gearbox and quickly realized that I was just about replacing everything but the cases, shift forks, and the camplate. Which would have ended up being well into the $2000 range. So at that point I may as well spend a little more money and get an better unit. Since I knew that TT Industries over in NZ make some of best AMC gearbox replacements I've heard of I decided to look at what they had to offer for the salt bike. Initially thought I would go with their AMC 5 speed XHD kickstart gearbox given what I was planning to do. After reaching out, their production manager Vaughan gave me several different options given the build. All the options were very impressive between the level of engineering to the weight saving over the stock box. The downside of the two best options they had was neither could have a kickstart option. SCTA rules say that gear ratio changes are allowed, but I wasn't sure if the lack of a kickstart would cause problems. So I ended up going with their standard AMC 6 speed but they made it with magnesium cases to drop as much weight as possible. Next problem is the final drive sprocket. The standard options TT Industries wouldn't quite get me to the speed I was after. This is where they went above and beyond to help me out! They made me a custom lightweight 31T final drive sprocket in a 530 chain profile. I can't give enough thanks to the guys over at TT Industries for this! I did however get told that all this help was under the condition I need to leave Burt Munro's record alone
As for the engine, I knew that I needed to get a steel crankshaft to hold all the added power at the very least. So called up Leo again to get his thoughts on what route to take. He mentioned that the crankcases needed to be strengthened if I wanted to use the originals which would be alot of time spent on a TIG welder and probably wouldn't be as good as new ones in the end anyway. When I told him about the state of the RH1 head he said to just not even bother if the casting was already showing pitting in a street motor that it wouldn't be worth the machining for a race head. Probably had alot of air bubbles in the casting from the factory. Also brought up the fact of new Andy Molnar aluminum nikasil cylinders would save alot of weight and hold up alot better. Looked up Andy Molnar over at MPL/TGA to see what he had to offer. Truly impressive stuff! Now the wallet is already shaking in my pocket as soon as I started looking at his site. And at this point I just told it to suck it up and get used to it cause I was all in. Contacted Andy to see when his next batch of parts were slated to come in. Went ahead and placed an order for new MK2 style crankcases, fully machined steel crankshaft, and aluminum nikasil lined cylinders. So much for my savings account . But I gotta say it was well worth it! Looking back now I don't think I'd have felt as confident in the original cases even after putting in the work to strengthen them. Don't mind the blurry dog in the background. He comes back in focus later lol.
Hit the max file limit for this post. I'll get the rest up as soon as I can. The story continues!
Originally started out as a conversation between my dad and I in 2017 after finishing up my MK3 850 and watching The Worlds Fastest Indian (surprising no one I'm sure). During a visit to Leo Goff with a friend, Sonny Collier, I decided to bring up the possibility of building a Norton Commando salt bike to Leo and get his take on it. Ended up going with a 750cc engine to get the most possible out for the class. Obviously went for a hi-CR build aiming for maximum top end power(75-80hp as a goal). Now the existing SCTA 750 modified production pushrod gas record is 138-139mph. Final drive ratio was going to be a big factor in this project. After alot of math and searching I came up with the fact that I would need to have a 30 or 31T final drive sprocket. Which of course isn't something that is readily available. This posed another problem but we'll get into that later.
So now to find a donor bike to get this ball rolling. Spent a couple years waiting for the right bike to go up for sale. Didn't want to tear down a numbers matching high quality machine for this. Finally found a 1970 engine and trans that was put into a 1972 frame. While it solid and ran good it was in need of some work soon anyways so this was the perfect candidate. Made a 20hr one day trip to Florida to go pick it up and couldn't wait to get back to the shop and start tearing it down for full inspection.
Got to tearing down the bike and found the motor was in a little more rough shape than I thought (sadly didn't think to take pictures of the teardown like a dummy). On the outside the engine cases have some rough spots from road debris and looked corroded from years of sea air. Internally cylinders had been bored .040" over so I needed to source new barrels right out of the gate. The head had a couple fins missing and some pitting in the combustion chambers as well. Already not off to a good start for using the re-using much of the original motor. Moving onto the transmission it wasn't a whole lot better. Again years of sea air had corroded the exterior as well as some of the interior parts. Layshaft was worn out, all bearings needed to be replaced, and several of the gears showed more wear than I would've been comfortable re-using for an all-out run on the salt flats. The forks, swingarm, frame, gearbox cradle, and hubs were all in good shape. Rims and spokes had corrosion but those were already going to be replaced as part of the plan anyway.
Now the debate of to rebuild the engine and transmission or to just go from scratch with all new parts that are better alloys and better machined? Either way the wallet is gonna be hurting. Started with the transmission. Looked up prices for all the parts I'd need to replace in the stock gearbox and quickly realized that I was just about replacing everything but the cases, shift forks, and the camplate. Which would have ended up being well into the $2000 range. So at that point I may as well spend a little more money and get an better unit. Since I knew that TT Industries over in NZ make some of best AMC gearbox replacements I've heard of I decided to look at what they had to offer for the salt bike. Initially thought I would go with their AMC 5 speed XHD kickstart gearbox given what I was planning to do. After reaching out, their production manager Vaughan gave me several different options given the build. All the options were very impressive between the level of engineering to the weight saving over the stock box. The downside of the two best options they had was neither could have a kickstart option. SCTA rules say that gear ratio changes are allowed, but I wasn't sure if the lack of a kickstart would cause problems. So I ended up going with their standard AMC 6 speed but they made it with magnesium cases to drop as much weight as possible. Next problem is the final drive sprocket. The standard options TT Industries wouldn't quite get me to the speed I was after. This is where they went above and beyond to help me out! They made me a custom lightweight 31T final drive sprocket in a 530 chain profile. I can't give enough thanks to the guys over at TT Industries for this! I did however get told that all this help was under the condition I need to leave Burt Munro's record alone
As for the engine, I knew that I needed to get a steel crankshaft to hold all the added power at the very least. So called up Leo again to get his thoughts on what route to take. He mentioned that the crankcases needed to be strengthened if I wanted to use the originals which would be alot of time spent on a TIG welder and probably wouldn't be as good as new ones in the end anyway. When I told him about the state of the RH1 head he said to just not even bother if the casting was already showing pitting in a street motor that it wouldn't be worth the machining for a race head. Probably had alot of air bubbles in the casting from the factory. Also brought up the fact of new Andy Molnar aluminum nikasil cylinders would save alot of weight and hold up alot better. Looked up Andy Molnar over at MPL/TGA to see what he had to offer. Truly impressive stuff! Now the wallet is already shaking in my pocket as soon as I started looking at his site. And at this point I just told it to suck it up and get used to it cause I was all in. Contacted Andy to see when his next batch of parts were slated to come in. Went ahead and placed an order for new MK2 style crankcases, fully machined steel crankshaft, and aluminum nikasil lined cylinders. So much for my savings account . But I gotta say it was well worth it! Looking back now I don't think I'd have felt as confident in the original cases even after putting in the work to strengthen them. Don't mind the blurry dog in the background. He comes back in focus later lol.
Hit the max file limit for this post. I'll get the rest up as soon as I can. The story continues!