T160 style kickstart for Commandos

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gortnipper said:
jaguar said:
What is the benefit to this part?
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Longer for more leverage and appears to tuck in a bit neater than the banana type kickers.
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It tucks in A LOT neater than the standard one - which tends to be in the way of my leg, plus it clears the exhaust by a country mile when in use.
I've had clearance issues with early type standard kickstart fouling the silencer.

The rearset issue may not be a problem if you're using a reversed standard gear lever, but it gets very much in the way of a linkage type

Here's my PR setup - I believe the correct PR kickstart is longer than standard (mine isn't)? I wonder what the JPN Replica uses?

T160 style kickstart for Commandos


Here's the issue with the T160 kickstart with Dunstall rearsets offered up (now renovated and waiting to go on my Fastback)

T160 style kickstart for Commandos


The clearance gained - no fouling issue:

T160 style kickstart for Commandos


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T160 style kickstart for Commandos
 
lynxnsu said:
mikegray660 said:
wont work with rearsets..........
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i made my own longer kick by heating up and bending a std mk3 kick
will try if i can post pic ,
T160 style kickstart for Commandos
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Nice minimalism going on there sir, some nice detailed touches too.

Gotta ask though... Where is your oil?

And... Why didn't you just make up a simple reversed gear lever along the line of what Matt does at cNw?
 
This gear change set up is the same as I have done for my 920. The works racers had the same arrangement. Using a reversed lever is simply not as efficient, because it needs to point down at twenty degrees or more. This means your foot is trying to push the lever backwards as well as up, because the lever is in effect moving in an arc.
Looks like a nice light bike.
 
oil is in backbone and some added space where tooltray used to be
gearchange is there because my ankle has only one joint...no seriously , if one simply reverses the gearlever nad you push down on it , it moves away from your footrest, not so in this layout
but this was about the kickstart ,and the increased lenght does really make a difference
also i do not like the triumf sollution as it moves the weight on the kick too far away from the spindle coming out of the gearbox
weight is 160kg , not as light as ludwigs YET
 
lynxnsu said:
oil is in backbone and some added space where tooltray used to be
gearchange is there because my ankle has only one joint...no seriously , if one simply reverses the gearlever nad you push down on it , it moves away from your footrest, not so in this layout
but this was about the kickstart ,and the increased lenght does really make a difference
also i do not like the triumf sollution as it moves the weight on the kick too far away from the spindle coming out of the gearbox
weight is 160kg , not as light as ludwigs YET
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That's very interesting, however, its not quite as interesting as the 5 pages I just read on 'not a a cafe racer' !

Why did the thread end so abruptly? Can you give us any finished riding impressions? And pictures?
 
dominator is finished and fired up , then i went on to build a couple of interestng ducatis and haven,t looked back at the domi nor to be honest the commando .we also run a nsu car-engined drysumped race outfit wich absorbes a lot of beer , i mean time. the commando however is still being used as it is nearly as fast as the 2valve dukes
shame really as nearly 20years went into that dominator .
 
lynxnsu said:
dominator is finished and fired up , then i went on to build a couple of interestng ducatis and haven,t looked back at the domi nor to be honest the commando .we also run a nsu car-engined drysumped race outfit wich absorbes a lot of beer , i mean time. the commando however is still being used as it is nearly as fast as the 2valve dukes
shame really as nearly 20years went into that dominator .
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Yes that is kinda sad. Still, I guess if its waited 20 years for your affection... It'll happily sit a while longer !
 
lynxnsu said:
mikegray660 said:
wont work with rearsets..........
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i made my own longer kick by heating up and bending a std mk3 kick
will try if i can post pic ,
T160 style kickstart for Commandos
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Very nice - is there any chance of a close-up photo of how you've done the gear lever pivot mounting, please?
 
Paddy_SP said:
Very nice - is there any chance of a close-up photo of how you've done the gear lever pivot mounting, please?
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Not quite the same, but a similar method on one of the works monocoques

T160 style kickstart for Commandos


And this one of Jamie Water's monocoque replica

T160 style kickstart for Commandos


This is another similar method on the space frame F750 JPN

T160 style kickstart for Commandos


They all seem to involve welding a support on the outer timing cover.

Ken
 
Thanks, Ken - I've never been happy with the gear lever set up on my little sprint-hillclimb racer - as the Quaife 'box in it uses a Norton outer cover, I'm keen to see what solutions others have come up with. Whether I ever compete again on it is another thing, but it's one of those niggles that's been nagging away at me for years!
 
Jeez, that´s a lot of tubes in that last pic! A plumbers wet dream :?: :lol: About welding the support for the gear change lever; I guess if the engine still is hung up in rubber, it has to be done that way?
Tommy
 
Well, I received the T160 style kicker from RGM.

Very nice it is too. Particularly the specially made 'knuckle' looks to be really nicely made.

The lever tucks away much better than the stock job. The length definitely help with kicking it over. Also, in order to give me a little more boot room, I had rotated the stock kicker counter clockwise a bit which limited how much rotation I got with each kick. The new one is more upright and I get more rotation for my efforts, further aiding the starting process.

All in all, very happy.
 
That's great to hear - I must get one myself, although I fear it'll be a while before any of the four Commandos I'm building will be ready to be kicked over... :oops:
 
A Question for folks who have put a few miles on the RGM T160 style folding kicker. A couple of other threads suggest that when the kicker starts to wear a bit, it flops around when you are riding. It is not clear to me exactly why, but it sounds like there might not be a spring/ball detent to hold the lever closed (pointing forward) when riding.

Is this true?

I recall reading about increasing spring tension to keep it from flopping out away from the bike. I think I would find this annoying and would like to know what to expect before ordering the RGM kick lever.

I used to have the early style Commando kickstart levers where a wimpy spring was supposed to keep the lever from flopping around, and after three good kicks, the spring collapsed and no longer did its job. POS design.

Stephen Hill
 
Fast Eddie said:
Well, I received the T160 style kicker from RGM.

Very nice it is too. Particularly the specially made 'knuckle' looks to be really nicely made.

The lever tucks away much better than the stock job. The length definitely help with kicking it over. Also, in order to give me a little more boot room, I had rotated the stock kicker counter clockwise a bit which limited how much rotation I got with each kick. The new one is more upright and I get more rotation for my efforts, further aiding the starting process.

All in all, very happy.
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I thought I posted this earlier, but it seems to have vaporized... grrr.

I am interested in the RGM lever, but am concerned that it will foul my rear-sets? With the stock lever, I dont have a leverage problem, but it does bang my shins and is supremely irritating, even though I rotated it clockwise a tooth or two.
 

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Stephen Hill said:
A Question for folks who have put a few miles on the RGM T160 style folding kicker. A couple of other threads suggest that when the kicker starts to wear a bit, it flops around when you are riding. It is not clear to me exactly why, but it sounds like there might not be a spring/ball detent to hold the lever closed (pointing forward) when riding.

Is this true?

I recall reading about increasing spring tension to keep it from flopping out away from the bike. I think I would find this annoying and would like to know what to expect before ordering the RGM kick lever.

I used to have the early style Commando kickstart levers where a wimpy spring was supposed to keep the lever from flopping around, and after three good kicks, the spring collapsed and no longer did its job. POS design.

Stephen Hill
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Well I have had mine on my Norton for over 5 years now and all is still tight and stays put when folded away, I have well over 25k on this kick lever.

Ashley
 
I always use a 1 up & the rest down shift on the RHS whenever I can. I have raced with a left hand shift, however did not like it. In racing things sometimes happen very quickly and instincts and memory take over.
 
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