Reverse shift pattern myth

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frankdamp said:
Danno:

Do you mean that the front brake (handlebar) lever has been moved to the left side by legal mandate?
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No, the rear brake pedal was moved to the right-hand side on machines where it had previously been on the left-hand side (the gearchange then being moved to the left-hand side).


frankdamp said:
Never having ridden anything except British bikes, I'd never even considered a bike would have back brake pedal and shift lever on the same side.
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That isn't what he said. He said both front and rear brake (controls) had to be on the same side.
 
acotrel said:
My brother-in-law drove for 3 months in Europe. At the end of his holiday, he drove into a petrol station, then drove out straight into the oncoming traffic. It is the automatic responses which are the problem. If you are conscious of them, it helps.
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I spend a lot of time away from home and driving on the 'wrong' side of the road.

Interestingly, I have hardly had any 'moments' doing so. What I find is that I make more mistakes when I get back home on the 'correct' side!

It seems to me that your brain is subconsciously more aware when away, and more relaxed when on home turf, and that's when the mistakes happen.

I think it's similar with the gear pedal issue. When you first jump on a bike with the 'wrong' pattern, you're concentrating more, so all is well. It's when something unexpected happens and you go into 'auto pilot' or at daft times when your brain is relaxed that the mistakes happen.

Well, it does with me!
 
My first bike was an Indian Scout which had left hand twist throttle, right hand twist advance and retard, right hand brake right foot brake and left hand clutch. The gear shift was on the right of the tank. My second bike was a Triumph Tiger 110 which had right foot gear change, left foot brake, right hand brake and throttle and the advance a retard was a little lever on the handle bar. My mates WLA Harley was all arse-about to my Indian. After several Triumphs, I then had a Yamaha RD250LC as a road bike. It was all arse-about again. Have a look at Jay Leno on Youtube. A lot of the old stuff he rides has twice as many knobs and levers to twiddle as you ride. If you are a motorcyclist, it comes with the territory - all part of the fun. The only time it really matters, is when you are racing and a small stuff-up can crash you.
 
madass140 said:
back to nortonspeeds post, not sure who has them but reverse camplates are available, probably RGM or Norv°
il. I think Quaife camplates are reversible at least I'm sure the 5 speeds I have are.
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°i bought mine from mick hemmings a few years ago , and gues what , when compared to my home made one (grinding new notches at
180° )i realised that by pressing the centre out and flipping the camplate over ,then pressing the camplate back on i had exactly what i just bough

So sorry to disagree but a std camplate can easily be converted.done it and used it for several years

just another thought ; when changing up,say from 2 to 3 and hard on the throttle ,you do not want to sit up and airbrake , but want to lay down and then pushing your foot down is fysical easier than lifting it
And when slowing down , sitting up for airbrake, your foot is automaticly coming up too
Try it and you will agree , thats why fast riders use it
all my ducatis have been converted this way , not that i am fast
 
well I thought I had done this also but it was a long time ago and this thread had me convinced I didnt do it, I'll have to do some checking myself.
 
lynxnsu said:
°i bought mine from mick hemmings a few years ago , and gues what , when compared to my home made one (grinding new notches at 180° )i realised that by pressing the centre out and flipping the camplate over ,then pressing the camplate back on i had exactly what i just bought
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Probably your eyes or mind must have been blurred when you compared Hemmings reverse shift pattern camplate with your standard camplate. Like I mentioned in my first post the difference is the position of the symmetrical slots in relation to the 5 gear notches that determines whether you got a standard or a reverse shifting camplate. Again it is definitely not possible to change a standard camplate (5 existing notches) into a reverse camplate without grinding 5 new notches into the opposite side (180 degrees rotation). Just try it and reveal the 'simply flipping over' myth yourself :idea:
 
acotrel said:
My first bike was an Indian Scout which had left hand twist throttle, right hand twist advance and retard, right hand brake right foot brake and left hand clutch. The gear shift was on the right of the tank. My second bike was a Triumph Tiger 110 which had right foot gear change, left foot brake, right hand brake and throttle and the advance a retard was a little lever on the handle bar. My mates WLA Harley was all arse-about to my Indian. After several Triumphs, I then had a Yamaha RD250LC as a road bike. It was all arse-about again. Have a look at Jay Leno on Youtube. A lot of the old stuff he rides has twice as many knobs and levers to twiddle as you ride. If you are a motorcyclist, it comes with the territory - all part of the fun. The only time it really matters, is when you are racing and a small stuff-up can crash you.
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I was offered a ride on one of those. I got it running and was Ok with just about everything but the LH throttle/RH advance. Discretion prevailed.
 
It is a very strange thing. I had the Indian when I was 15. If I was offered a ride on one today, I would accept without hesitation. The strange set-up is hard-wired into my brain. When I think about it, I know exactly where the knob of the gear lever would be. I can even remember reaching down and adjusting the main jet on the Schebler carb. - Is $16 in 1960 worth about $40,000 today ?
 
The Hemmings version is a REVERSED camplate, this is different to the REVERSIBLE camplate which can work in 4 configurations.
 
Madnorton said:
The Hemmings version is a REVERSED camplate, this is different to the REVERSIBLE camplate which can work in 4 configurations.
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So we got an original camplate (1 up 3 down), a Hemmings camplate (1 down, 3 up) and a 'reversible 4 configuration' camplate :?: Please
shine some light on the latter type camplate :roll:
 
nortonspeed said:
lynxnsu said:
°i bought mine from mick hemmings a few years ago , and gues what , when compared to my home made one (grinding new notches at 180° )i realised that by pressing the centre out and flipping the camplate over ,then pressing the camplate back on i had exactly what i just bought
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Probably your eyes or mind must have been blurred when you compared Hemmings reverse shift pattern camplate with your standard camplate. Like I mentioned in my first post the difference is the position of the symmetrical slots in relation to the 5 gear notches that determines whether you got a standard or a reverse shifting camplate. Again it is definitely not possible to change a standard camplate (5 existing notches) into a reverse camplate without grinding 5 new notches into the opposite side (180 degrees rotation). Just try it and reveal the 'simply flipping over' myth yourself :idea:
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weird that some people react in a funny way when contra - dicted
perhaps too much chimay has attacked my grey cells
as said done it and used it , and very recently build another one
but please do as you please
 
It works in conjunction with your gear lever, leave as is and swap the pattern, reverse gear lever and keep the pattern or swap it. It was designed for the proddy racer, and a version for the later MK3 RR which most probably never saw the light of day. The service release for the N3/12 for the conversion to Proddy racer has the part number for the early one.
 
lynxnsu said:
nortonspeed said:
lynxnsu said:
°i bought mine from mick hemmings a few years ago , and gues what , when compared to my home made one (grinding new notches at 180° )i realised that by pressing the centre out and flipping the camplate over ,then pressing the camplate back on i had exactly what i just bought
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Probably your eyes or mind must have been blurred when you compared Hemmings reverse shift pattern camplate with your standard camplate. Like I mentioned in my first post the difference is the position of the symmetrical slots in relation to the 5 gear notches that determines whether you got a standard or a reverse shifting camplate. Again it is definitely not possible to change a standard camplate (5 existing notches) into a reverse camplate without grinding 5 new notches into the opposite side (180 degrees rotation). Just try it and reveal the 'simply flipping over' myth yourself :idea:
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weird that some people react in a funny way when contra - dicted
perhaps too much chimay has attacked my grey cells
as said done it and used it , and very recently build another one
but please do as you please
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Let me tell you what is funny (however pathetic suits better), persistently claiming it is possible to reverse gear change from 1 up 3 down to 1 down 3 up (or visa versa) by just flipping over the standard camplate and pressing the centre in the other side. The first person who shows me it can be done this way gets my spare new Quaife 4 speed close ratio cluster (including shafts and selector forks) :twisted:
 
I think Mick has enough Quaife gearsets at the moment. There is also a thread on here about 2 years ago from someone that done it from what I can remember.
 
nortonspeed said:
Madnorton said:
The Hemmings version is a REVERSED camplate, this is different to the REVERSIBLE camplate which can work in 4 configurations.
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So we got an original camplate (1 up 3 down), a Hemmings camplate (1 down, 3 up) and a 'reversible 4 configuration' camplate :?: Please
shine some light on the latter type camplate :roll:
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Hi , as posted above this is the camplate Mick supplied , on that particuliar one , you just press out the camplate spindle and reverse it as he said .........I had to check in my 5 speed quaife if he had supplied mine with such a camplate ........!!
 
marinatlas said:
nortonspeed said:
Madnorton said:
The Hemmings version is a REVERSED camplate, this is different to the REVERSIBLE camplate which can work in 4 configurations.
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So we got an original camplate (1 up 3 down), a Hemmings camplate (1 down, 3 up) and a 'reversible 4 configuration' camplate :?: Please
shine some light on the latter type camplate :roll:
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Hi , as posted above this is the camplate Mick supplied , on that particuliar one , you just press out the camplate spindle and reverse it as he said .........I had to check in my 5 speed quaife if he had supplied mine with such a camplate ........!!
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Marinatlas you lost me here :? This thread is about a standard/stock 4 speed camplate (which has only 5 notches on one side of the camplate, 1 up Neutral 2 3 4 down) The Hemmings 4 speed reversed camplate is for use 1 down Neutral 2 3 4 up. The Hemming camplate you are referring to is a 5 speed camplate with 12 notches (1 N 2 3 4 5) for indeed both non reverse or reverse shifting. To copy this method (flipping the camplate over and pressing the spindle into the other side) to a standard 4 speed camplate you will end up with a similar Hemmings 5-speed camplate design that is a camplate with 10 notches :idea:

FYI
it is also possible to change the standard 4 speed camplate into a reverse shifting camplate without repositioning the spindle as the selector fork slots in the camplate are symmetrical unlike the 5 or 6 speed camplates making it necessary to press the spindle into the other side. Of course you will have to grind 5 new notches in the camplate as well however instead of grinding each notch on the opposite side (180 degrees rotation) you must mirror graphic image the notches to the other halve of the camplate.
 
nortonspeed said:
I just finished reversing my 1 up 3 down shift pattern into 1 down 3 up pattern by modifying the original camplate. The only way to get there is to regrind the notch pattern (5 notches) into opposite side of the camplate (180 degrees rotation). Unlike what has been mentioned in earlier threads there is no easy way by just flipping over the camplate :arrow: reverse shifting requires the symmetrical slots in the camplate upside down (180 degree rotation). This way the existing notches will no longer face down to engage the camplate index plunger. So grinding 5 new notches into the opposite side is inevitable :!:
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Hi back in my riding days you could buy a reverse camplate that retained the same gear change pattern. This was an option for those who had tried rear set linkage and found them sloppy and awkward, not helped with kickstart in the way. You simply fitted it and reversed the gear lever and you had a more positive gear change. I bought mine from Gus Kuhn in the early '70's. Ron Quaife may well have sold similar. Bo.
 
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