hobo kills again
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hobot said:
Says what? hobot, look at the exhaust again. I smell something and it smells like turbo. Or burnt goat, I often get those mixed up.
Hobot — went to your photo album and saw a pic of you with your Commando in the woods. Looks like you live in great back country. How many of the roads around you are dirt? Sorry to hear about the crash. Accidents happen, and they could happen to any of us, whether on the dirt or tarmac, riding carefully or going for it. I'm not sure about your traffic laws, but I get from your post that the goats were belonging to the family and were not wild animals. Would they be the responsibility of the family so should not have been on the road in the first place?
How about picking up some old cheap road legal dirt bike so you can have fun on the gravel? Would seem to be a better tool for the job ...
Dave
How about picking up some old cheap road legal dirt bike so you can have fun on the gravel? Would seem to be a better tool for the job ...
Dave
Gday Hobot,
glad you survived the encounter with the neighbours goat, have they invited you over for tea?
All jokes aside, dont forget what happend to BIGSTU, you've got to learn by others mistakes as you dont live long enough to make them all yourself! Ride safe if theres something left to ride.
Foxy
glad you survived the encounter with the neighbours goat, have they invited you over for tea?
All jokes aside, dont forget what happend to BIGSTU, you've got to learn by others mistakes as you dont live long enough to make them all yourself! Ride safe if theres something left to ride.
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hobot said:
Sonny s bike is a source of inspiration for my P11.
Your drag bike must have been pretty squirrel y at speed if the front was dropped 2" but not the rear.
If your mission is to ride at speed on those roads, get some knobbies, then at least you'd have a chance. They turn, and stop so much faster than smooth tires in the dirt.
Glad you're OK
Play safe
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Dave, anywhere the surface is flat and level in Ozarks - has a roof over it.
There are two types of surfaces in Ozarks -a. pavement that is as good as it gets anywhere and ratger better than most. &- b. GRAVEL, not dirt, not sand, GRAVEL on top of More Demon GRAVEL. The only features of tires that help with control on THE G, is melting soft compound and squishy soft air pressure, Not tractor ires or created or knobby tires, which all subtract contact area and roll on top uicker.
South Florida has some similar in loose limestone over hard pack limestone, just before they pave over it or lay railroad tracks on top for directional craft to travel.
There is one place I found 50 yd of wonderful secure grippy predicable Dirt! next to a creek bend that over flows mud and sand. OK when damp but once dry its like cement run thought by logging truck with ruts that hi center cars and launch bikes.
I crashed on pre-Peel on 1st initial timid ride 3 miles from home by a bit of brake with front slightly turned to ease below 6 mph into a down hill turn. Was on way to show my brother - which got to see missing foot peg, mirror signal and bar grip. Next few weeks totaled another half dozen crashes on THE G.D.G.
1. NEVER EVER apply brake it front turned - even a tiny little bit on THE G.
2. NEVER EVER apply brake if front turned - even a tiny little bit on Tarmac, unless you are going so slow a foot down would do about as well.
YES this includes world class elite racers trail braking, Psshaw the fools on corner cripples going so slow because they getting a bit leaned into a turn LOL!! ROFLOL!
3. Over doing Gravel turns - only way to save, sometimes, is HI POWER MANIA!
4. Best directional control on THE G. is to stay in more or less always sliding ON PURPOSE.
5. Fastest way to slow on THE G is get sideways for 2 tire edges like a snow or water skier does or hit something damaging.
6. Fastest way to turn is not flat tracker slide but faceting turns into a series of short straights by low > hi side crashes to twist bike on CoG for least leaning,
or to ricochet off something.
I can hardly stand the vibes and buzz and instability and limited envelopes of modern appliance cycles, dirt bikes to endro's to sports or cruisers. If I can't keep my Commandos intact next year of so then end of motorcycling era for me.
Foxy, I was screaming insanely angry more than in severe pain for most a minute because of proof I can not expect any security no matter what on 2 wheels. I don't really know these folks but know everyone is connected to lots of others.
Most poor families like these are on welfare or disability and odd job income.
I got some info on them yesterday when I finally got down the steep drive [in car] I was coasting towards when goats hit. Family related but not friendly relations plus conflicts all the time with unrelated neighbors. They likely have court liens and loans way ahead of any I could add too. I'd rather hit animals than interface with the county courts, lawyers and police here.
I was invited in to have beer or booze and was asked if I had something to smoke, but declined to keep some tension in the situation.
Got loaded up with organic vegies though from my friends that now live in a trailer instead of old school bus. Duh what happened to BIGSTU??
Goats and sheep fairly common here, I get calls to treat them, some with broken necks that don't make it so get to taste various goat meat dishes time to time.
But my Swami told me it cost more karma to eat hi on food chain so I'm mostly a rabbit myself and you know what rabbits are famous for hehe.
Only scream now and then when knee angle re-tears side ligaments.
Off to see a man about his horse - down in the back he says. I once looked forward to these adventure farm calls on handy Commando. Now???
hobot
There are two types of surfaces in Ozarks -a. pavement that is as good as it gets anywhere and ratger better than most. &- b. GRAVEL, not dirt, not sand, GRAVEL on top of More Demon GRAVEL. The only features of tires that help with control on THE G, is melting soft compound and squishy soft air pressure, Not tractor ires or created or knobby tires, which all subtract contact area and roll on top uicker.
South Florida has some similar in loose limestone over hard pack limestone, just before they pave over it or lay railroad tracks on top for directional craft to travel.
There is one place I found 50 yd of wonderful secure grippy predicable Dirt! next to a creek bend that over flows mud and sand. OK when damp but once dry its like cement run thought by logging truck with ruts that hi center cars and launch bikes.
I crashed on pre-Peel on 1st initial timid ride 3 miles from home by a bit of brake with front slightly turned to ease below 6 mph into a down hill turn. Was on way to show my brother - which got to see missing foot peg, mirror signal and bar grip. Next few weeks totaled another half dozen crashes on THE G.D.G.
1. NEVER EVER apply brake it front turned - even a tiny little bit on THE G.
2. NEVER EVER apply brake if front turned - even a tiny little bit on Tarmac, unless you are going so slow a foot down would do about as well.
YES this includes world class elite racers trail braking, Psshaw the fools on corner cripples going so slow because they getting a bit leaned into a turn LOL!! ROFLOL!
3. Over doing Gravel turns - only way to save, sometimes, is HI POWER MANIA!
4. Best directional control on THE G. is to stay in more or less always sliding ON PURPOSE.
5. Fastest way to slow on THE G is get sideways for 2 tire edges like a snow or water skier does or hit something damaging.
6. Fastest way to turn is not flat tracker slide but faceting turns into a series of short straights by low > hi side crashes to twist bike on CoG for least leaning,
or to ricochet off something.
I can hardly stand the vibes and buzz and instability and limited envelopes of modern appliance cycles, dirt bikes to endro's to sports or cruisers. If I can't keep my Commandos intact next year of so then end of motorcycling era for me.
Foxy, I was screaming insanely angry more than in severe pain for most a minute because of proof I can not expect any security no matter what on 2 wheels. I don't really know these folks but know everyone is connected to lots of others.
Most poor families like these are on welfare or disability and odd job income.
I got some info on them yesterday when I finally got down the steep drive [in car] I was coasting towards when goats hit. Family related but not friendly relations plus conflicts all the time with unrelated neighbors. They likely have court liens and loans way ahead of any I could add too. I'd rather hit animals than interface with the county courts, lawyers and police here.
I was invited in to have beer or booze and was asked if I had something to smoke, but declined to keep some tension in the situation.
Got loaded up with organic vegies though from my friends that now live in a trailer instead of old school bus. Duh what happened to BIGSTU??
Goats and sheep fairly common here, I get calls to treat them, some with broken necks that don't make it so get to taste various goat meat dishes time to time.
But my Swami told me it cost more karma to eat hi on food chain so I'm mostly a rabbit myself and you know what rabbits are famous for hehe.
Only scream now and then when knee angle re-tears side ligaments.
Off to see a man about his horse - down in the back he says. I once looked forward to these adventure farm calls on handy Commando. Now???
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Returned to the scene to pick up pieces and snap shots.
Coasting down turn very close to my edge d/t wayward traffic like dump trucks.
Goats under red mail box crowded across road to the driveway, no veering to miss. Impact was at end of mail box clearing, slid on me to object in road, SV's cracked tach cover.
full res. http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2938273 ... 1179dlxbUn
Local surface, good stuff pure blue limestone. Only lasts a few years, tires crush to dust then washes and blows away to revel the real Ozark sex stone base.
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2947619 ... 1179fhXvyN
Stopped for a shot of most dangerous commute turn, sharp narrow and deep loose. W/o some power tires just stink to need firm grip till past it. I can ski this but that exposes me to blind traffic encounters so creep on edge is routine.
One close call here is on of my best classic Cdo tales.
Hip impact ripening. Blood that settles with gravity is from bone marrow leaks from plain cracks of ligaments/tendon pulling outer bone cortex open.
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2114506 ... 1179DsQopr
Coasting down turn very close to my edge d/t wayward traffic like dump trucks.
Goats under red mail box crowded across road to the driveway, no veering to miss. Impact was at end of mail box clearing, slid on me to object in road, SV's cracked tach cover.
full res. http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2938273 ... 1179dlxbUn
Local surface, good stuff pure blue limestone. Only lasts a few years, tires crush to dust then washes and blows away to revel the real Ozark sex stone base.
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2947619 ... 1179fhXvyN
Stopped for a shot of most dangerous commute turn, sharp narrow and deep loose. W/o some power tires just stink to need firm grip till past it. I can ski this but that exposes me to blind traffic encounters so creep on edge is routine.
One close call here is on of my best classic Cdo tales.
Hip impact ripening. Blood that settles with gravity is from bone marrow leaks from plain cracks of ligaments/tendon pulling outer bone cortex open.
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2114506 ... 1179DsQopr
Goat ok on BBQ ... Deer... Mmmm.... After the meat has aged 4/5 days marinated another 3 days in red wine, dad of vinegar and a lot of herbs, slow cook it for 4/6 hours in the marinade.... Served with red berries preserve and fresh pasta... Not as good as wild boar (less gamy taste)... But encounters with boars can be deadly... For you!!!
Philippe
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Now that sounds good way to treat wayward goats.
The most painful crash I've ever had was the first deer that struck me on Trixie 8:30 pm. I shuffled 3" 'steps' for 2.5 hr to get 4 miles home by 11 pm. Called a friend who loaded bike and collected the doe in 28'F temps. He had it cleaned and hanging to freeze by 4 am. Back strap is the big treat in venison. Eat what ya kill they say.
Coyotes got the bigger 2nd deer so didn't have to be reminded by the smell of death each past by, just white bones that lasted a season more.
Most hard to avoid a kill are skunks. They fear almost Nothing alive that recognizes them. They sometimes get up on front legs spraying as they go, which gets on the grass which one then rides through picking up you know what. Soapy water and H2O2 instantly nullifies odor, though I like the hint of it for the high flash backs : ) I dodge em no sweat on tarmac but not when they are in some loose rut I'm committed too just trying my best to make it intact. Skunks aren't made with much speed or dodging or smarts capacity, poor things.
Most upsetting are pampered house cats with jeweled collars that pop out freaked out to run along side then dart in front of you as you try to slow to avoid em. Just a soft lump felt to me though so I don't risk a dodge on critters below axle height anymore, nor should you in tight conditions.
The most painful crash I've ever had was the first deer that struck me on Trixie 8:30 pm. I shuffled 3" 'steps' for 2.5 hr to get 4 miles home by 11 pm. Called a friend who loaded bike and collected the doe in 28'F temps. He had it cleaned and hanging to freeze by 4 am. Back strap is the big treat in venison. Eat what ya kill they say.
Coyotes got the bigger 2nd deer so didn't have to be reminded by the smell of death each past by, just white bones that lasted a season more.
Most hard to avoid a kill are skunks. They fear almost Nothing alive that recognizes them. They sometimes get up on front legs spraying as they go, which gets on the grass which one then rides through picking up you know what. Soapy water and H2O2 instantly nullifies odor, though I like the hint of it for the high flash backs : ) I dodge em no sweat on tarmac but not when they are in some loose rut I'm committed too just trying my best to make it intact. Skunks aren't made with much speed or dodging or smarts capacity, poor things.
Most upsetting are pampered house cats with jeweled collars that pop out freaked out to run along side then dart in front of you as you try to slow to avoid em. Just a soft lump felt to me though so I don't risk a dodge on critters below axle height anymore, nor should you in tight conditions.
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hobot said:
I wonder if you put notches in your bike every time you hit something if you'd have much of a bike left. :mrgreen:
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Ugh, I do my best to cover bike notches up thank you. Holes in primary covers are hardest to correct/conceal. Tanks and seats not too hard to hide but peashooters tell the tales till replaced. I actually practice crashing in my pasture when grass about knee high and with 6" snow to cushion the screwed into the ground bike angles. Its the only time I really do aim at the ground and hit it, just to know for sure how not to on harder far way terrain. Remove mirrors signals and shorten levers and leave bar mounts swivel loose and a Commando can take good drops w/o any marks on injury. Weird Commando pleasure, as just falling off stand can make a modern cycle un-ridale.
Wildest surprise when hobot CPU took over control of tri-linked Peel, was once CPU over did the phase 2 - leaned counter steering in traction, had to be saved by phase 3 - supermotard skip-slides- into over doing that, to require saves by entering phase 4 handling- low into hi side controlled crashing, so easy it invited over doing this till it required entering phase 5 handling - right back to spun tire straight steering upright that spirals bike into any decreasing radius accelerating like crazy! What most stands out that I want to convey to everyone, is how close you are to the edge even just puttering along feelin safe as at home, don't.
I know how close to limits I can get, when I choose to, do you? Learn to ride flats to teach ya what I mean, safe and quick.
Wildest surprise when hobot CPU took over control of tri-linked Peel, was once CPU over did the phase 2 - leaned counter steering in traction, had to be saved by phase 3 - supermotard skip-slides- into over doing that, to require saves by entering phase 4 handling- low into hi side controlled crashing, so easy it invited over doing this till it required entering phase 5 handling - right back to spun tire straight steering upright that spirals bike into any decreasing radius accelerating like crazy! What most stands out that I want to convey to everyone, is how close you are to the edge even just puttering along feelin safe as at home, don't.
I know how close to limits I can get, when I choose to, do you? Learn to ride flats to teach ya what I mean, safe and quick.
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PETA's goat protection division is being directed to Madison county Arkansas to investigate the hitting and stabing of a young goat. Remember, goats are people too!
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Hobot,
your knee injure looks exactly the same as mine...
I did it while running on a gravel road at 2000 meters on the sea level.
It was without guardrails, of course, and I stopped 10 centimeters only far from the road limit over a sicure death ! :shock: :shock: :shock:
It was not my fault and I don't like it, but in 35 year I've killed some chickens, 1 cat, half dog (serious damages) and took risk to hurt a cow...but "she" drove away very quickly ! :lol: :lol:
About the goat "mom"...you were lucky she didn't decide to avoid you more pain (by killing the biker, too) :lol: :lol:
Best wishes and take care about other beasts.
Cheers
Fabrizio (Italian mountain guy)
your knee injure looks exactly the same as mine...
I did it while running on a gravel road at 2000 meters on the sea level.
It was without guardrails, of course, and I stopped 10 centimeters only far from the road limit over a sicure death ! :shock: :shock: :shock:
It was not my fault and I don't like it, but in 35 year I've killed some chickens, 1 cat, half dog (serious damages) and took risk to hurt a cow...but "she" drove away very quickly ! :lol: :lol:
About the goat "mom"...you were lucky she didn't decide to avoid you more pain (by killing the biker, too) :lol: :lol:
Best wishes and take care about other beasts.
Cheers
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Italian mountain guy, appreciate you surviving experiences that fate dropped on ya.
I've only had a couple years on a drag bike Norton in early '70's, then a hiatus for 25 yrs in a big city that scared me too much to ride, then a few years in rual area, on and off Commandos and curvy SV650. We can correct/control our own attitude and riding cautions but no control when fate as the Hunter. Its was emergency saves that taught me bike extremes, then I began to practice on purpose, mostly to avoid limit risks. I've a number of crashes doing my aboslute best to be slow and graceful as possible talking to myself predicting traffic staying parked or in their lane and seeking even distance from all hazards about coasting along and get slapped down so fast I was cocking my head as sparks in front of me till pavement hit bone in hand still in out reached bar position, then snatched it up to tumble at same instant sparks resolved into peashooter end.
I write a lot about living it up on bikes this decade but its not dumb cavalier attitude. I ask each time if good day to die then test me condition by brake lock up on THE Gravel, If I'm not up for that then i either turn back or ride like granma in side car. First deer took 15 min to choke on its on blood and crushed innards, flopping and making terrible sounds every now and then. I was just as helpless lying next to it unable to breath either d/t neck injury that also made heart just quiver as waves of white noise pain crescendo'd to almost past out.
If not for both near death practice from drugs and yogic path I may have well froze to be found next day. I was able to move about 5 min after deer did last death jerking. Various major joints could not be used much, lower leg stayed on ground below shattered knee till skin elasticity snapped it back on shattered joint. Hip would pop out and poke a big knob under leg chaps. Lightening from head impact resolved to just fire works clusters. Damage took all the bargain out of my 2nd Combat, 3rd week of just timid commuting use.
If not for my professional experience I'd be full of metal parts and eaten up by drug reactions and decayed to point of pain - weakness just existing.
i'm past point of no return on my weird and wild Ms Peel project. My stock '72 just needs me to assemble engine and install, rest gone through after 1st deer. Now I'm wondering if I'm just stupid to face road fates again. I'm thinking of a type of tilting reverse trike to use Peel's 920 supercharged torque monster.
Here's some more gore since '01 when I had digi camera. Stories left out.
post67025.html?hilit=hobot%20boo%20boo#p67025
I've only had a couple years on a drag bike Norton in early '70's, then a hiatus for 25 yrs in a big city that scared me too much to ride, then a few years in rual area, on and off Commandos and curvy SV650. We can correct/control our own attitude and riding cautions but no control when fate as the Hunter. Its was emergency saves that taught me bike extremes, then I began to practice on purpose, mostly to avoid limit risks. I've a number of crashes doing my aboslute best to be slow and graceful as possible talking to myself predicting traffic staying parked or in their lane and seeking even distance from all hazards about coasting along and get slapped down so fast I was cocking my head as sparks in front of me till pavement hit bone in hand still in out reached bar position, then snatched it up to tumble at same instant sparks resolved into peashooter end.
I write a lot about living it up on bikes this decade but its not dumb cavalier attitude. I ask each time if good day to die then test me condition by brake lock up on THE Gravel, If I'm not up for that then i either turn back or ride like granma in side car. First deer took 15 min to choke on its on blood and crushed innards, flopping and making terrible sounds every now and then. I was just as helpless lying next to it unable to breath either d/t neck injury that also made heart just quiver as waves of white noise pain crescendo'd to almost past out.
If not for both near death practice from drugs and yogic path I may have well froze to be found next day. I was able to move about 5 min after deer did last death jerking. Various major joints could not be used much, lower leg stayed on ground below shattered knee till skin elasticity snapped it back on shattered joint. Hip would pop out and poke a big knob under leg chaps. Lightening from head impact resolved to just fire works clusters. Damage took all the bargain out of my 2nd Combat, 3rd week of just timid commuting use.
If not for my professional experience I'd be full of metal parts and eaten up by drug reactions and decayed to point of pain - weakness just existing.
i'm past point of no return on my weird and wild Ms Peel project. My stock '72 just needs me to assemble engine and install, rest gone through after 1st deer. Now I'm wondering if I'm just stupid to face road fates again. I'm thinking of a type of tilting reverse trike to use Peel's 920 supercharged torque monster.
Here's some more gore since '01 when I had digi camera. Stories left out.
post67025.html?hilit=hobot%20boo%20boo#p67025
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Hobot, have you considered taking Peel's motor, and everything else you can salvage, and put it all together with a featherbed frame and some type of sidecar? I think it would rock the gravel. Nothin personal but IMHO trikes are kinda y'know... "swooshy" - not that there's anything wrong with that...
http://mothersracingteam.20megsfree.com/photo2.html
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Yes sir Don, most of last year was spent looking at all the designs and pestering riders and races on set ups. But I have to do extreme sharp jerk steering at times and afraid I'd tip right over. I wonder how it'd do on off slope Gravel sweepers or braking in strange angle on loose stuff. But its for normal commute protection not racing around so might be mute concern.
I saved a picture of Commando powered off road hack catching big air. It was a photo in back of Cycle World and got me investigating.
Side car still on my mind but would hook in to Isolastic linked Peel frame and see if it works out. I've photo's of isolastic side cars, no reports of them twisting up.
Here's my collection plus an off roader that sure appeals and a lot cheaper quicker to construct something thats not so easy to knock over just tooling along.
post71487.html?hilit=Commando%20sidecars#p71487
I saved a picture of Commando powered off road hack catching big air. It was a photo in back of Cycle World and got me investigating.
Side car still on my mind but would hook in to Isolastic linked Peel frame and see if it works out. I've photo's of isolastic side cars, no reports of them twisting up.
Here's my collection plus an off roader that sure appeals and a lot cheaper quicker to construct something thats not so easy to knock over just tooling along.
post71487.html?hilit=Commando%20sidecars#p71487
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I still own two sidecars (KMZ made in URSS, solid but slow and ugly on driving) but never like to use it after the first days passed.
To enjoy riding, an outfit need a proper frame and wheels geometry ( smaller wheels diameter with "square" profile like a car,Earles link front fork, lower centre of gravity etc.) so you can drive it in a way not so far from a bike...except from the angle in corners !
A Wasp MX three-wheeler as in the picture could be the best solution for gravel roads and risk-free beasts killing .... :lol:
To enjoy riding, an outfit need a proper frame and wheels geometry ( smaller wheels diameter with "square" profile like a car,Earles link front fork, lower centre of gravity etc.) so you can drive it in a way not so far from a bike...except from the angle in corners !
A Wasp MX three-wheeler as in the picture could be the best solution for gravel roads and risk-free beasts killing .... :lol:
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