Crank nick at seal

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Torontonian said:
Break - off lip ? Now i'm confused.

Go to my second post to this thread and there is a link. Poke through there and you will see the speedy sleeve is made up of two parts. One part is to install the sleeve with the sleeve attached. Once installed in the correct location the installation Lip or flange is then broken off or peeled off to leave just the sleeve remaining.
There is a little video of an installation on a gearbox if you poke around enough.
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Foxy said:
mmmmm... you've got me thinking, wondering if the sleeve could be expanded slightly through heat and put on back to front for easier installation, then lip removed?
Torontonian, speedy sleeves come with a flared end to tap for installation. The ones Ive fitted on Cummins diesels, you dont remove the lip/flare.
Have you tried to source a double lipped seal?


I tried that. Breaking off the flange leaves a sharp edge that damages the seal as you try to install it. If you leave the flange on you can't replace the seal in future without removing the speedy sleeve.

I sat and looked at it for a while and couldn't work out a way of doing it without a total rebuild.
 
Foxy said:
Gday John, would it work if the drive lip was ground down enough to enter?


Hmm. Maybe.
I haven't got a sleeve any more and the seal is back in the bike so I can't measure the orifice or the flange, but hey speedy sleeves aren't expensive. It might be worth a go.
 
Dredging up this old thread as I just completed this repair, installed a 30mm speedi sleeve in situ on an assembled motor. The sleeve itself has a flange that's scored for (optional) removal, the problem is that, in addition to the overall width of the flange being greater than the opening behind crank seal recess, leaving the flange on extends the sleeve too far out over the keyway (sleeve width w/flange is 10mm, without flange it's 7mm). My solution was to install it backwards (earth shattering idea.. I know), using an old main bearing inner race to tap the sleeve home. Once the sleeve was fully seated I peeled back and removed the flange, the result is that the outer edge of the sleeve now "just" comes up to the keyway. The only issue (minor) is that the flange side of the sleeve lacks a chamfered edge, so you have to ensure you cover the lip of the sleeve with tape before installing the new seal.

Other than that, happy to report this repair is entirely doable in situ (though you'll never get it off without splitting the cases :) )
 
I installed a speedy sleeve on my crank with the engine assembled as well. I put it on backwards but used a spacer and the nut for the rotor to draw it on - no problem.
 
I had the same issue, posted some time ago.

There isn't a lot of meat on the crank pin for the sleeve, but obviously some souls have had success. My concern is that the main bearing race is sized for the crank pin, increase the size of the pin with the Speedi Sleeve and now you have captured the inner race, so if you go this way probably a good idea to do up the lower end and get maximum mileage out of your efforts, gets expensive.

I sent my crank cheeks out for re-grinding and asked them to repair the seal surface, they either forgot or elected to take a pass, they did, however, compound the problem by chucking the crank pin in a 3 jaw rather than a collet, so what I got back now had radial scores that intersected with the radial scores made by the old seal (and dirt). I polished and polished, but the crank pin was harder then my resolve. The crank would be good with a wet (chain) primary, but not with a belt; I have the CNW starter kit so this crank is so much heavy jewelry for me...

I gave up and after leafing through about 1000 Google pages found a very rare NOS crank (still in a box from Berliner Motor Corp). Had I more ambition I would have sent it to a service that offers hard chroming or liquid metal technology to size up the pin, then send it on the ISS for zero gravity machining or some other eclectic service and pay their light bill for 10 years, or just bent over and purchase a forged crank...

Seriously, I think the JB Weld or sliver solder is the best, reasonably, fix, or use the Speedi Sleeve and hope the drive side Suoerblend is going to hold up for all the miles you wish to put on.
 
RoadScholar said:
I had the same issue, posted some time ago.

There isn't a lot of meat on the crank pin for the sleeve, but obviously some souls have had success. My concern is that the main bearing race is sized for the crank pin, increase the size of the pin with the Speedi Sleeve and now you have captured the inner race, so if you go this way probably a good idea to do up the lower end and get maximum mileage out of your efforts, gets expensive.

I sent my crank cheeks out for re-grinding and asked them to repair the seal surface, they either forgot or elected to take a pass, they did, however, compound the problem by chucking the crank pin in a 3 jaw rather than a collet, so what I got back now had radial scores that intersected with the radial scores made by the old seal (and dirt). I polished and polished, but the crank pin was harder then my resolve. The crank would be good with a wet (chain) primary, but not with a belt; I have the CNW starter kit so this crank is so much heavy jewelry for me...

I gave up and after leafing through about 1000 Google pages found a very rare NOS crank (still in a box from Berliner Motor Corp). Had I more ambition I would have sent it to a service that offers hard chroming or liquid metal technology to size up the pin, then send it on the ISS for zero gravity machining or some other eclectic service and pay their light bill for 10 years, or just bent over and purchase a forged crank...

Seriously, I think the JB Weld or sliver solder is the best, reasonably, fix, or use the Speedi Sleeve and hope the drive side Suoerblend is going to hold up for all the miles you wish to put on.

I hear what you're saying, I went through the various options in trying to repair the surface where the seal rides, the JB weld just did not hold up... The sleeve itself is hardened steel and purpose designed for this specific task, as for removal, only a light smear of non hardening sealant in used on the inside of the sleeve, I threw one on the crank I have sitting on my bench (without sealant) and it came off with the bearing inner race with no fuss.

Quote from SKF on removal of sleeve:

"SKF Speedi-Sleeve can be removed by applying heat to the sleeve with an electric heat blower, which will expand it enough to let it slide off the shaft without causing any damage to the shaft. "
 
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