Commando in Context.

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Once again I am not privy to why Honda does not make chain saws but I will tell you that even 4 stroke weed eaters are becoming the norm as emissions regulations keep getting tighter and the market demands them. I will also say it again, a ring ding has it place and a chain saw is it, NOT a high production number's product such as motorcycles and automobiles.

J.A.W. said:
How about Honda & chainsaws Bill, -not going there either?- So, why now, is it that Honda does not sell chainsaws?..because...even 4T ideologues as they are...they cannot make one that is marketable... if money was no object....they could build a dry-sump turbo 4T that would work at all angles...but the weight/complexity/warranty issues would kill them, even if they wanted to sell them at a loss..
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an H2R is a far cry from a street H2 as was stuff like the monocock JPN racers were. as to your expert, I think you are dreaming that Honda had that much influence to have ding pops banned by most all first world governments as a street bike power plant. it also goes back to people's demands like cleaner running more fuel efficient,quieter running and less maintenance along with people demanding cleaner air to breath. Can you also give me the sales numbers for the H2 V CB 750 V Z1. I would say that the H2 was not as great a seller against the others. market also drives what they build!!!

J.A.W. said:
Bill, again you demonstrate how far out of your depth you are, the H2R racebike was based on the H2 streetbike, as F 750 rules required, & like-wise the F 750 Norton was based on the Commando streetbike, & they raced against each other in equivalent classes, both showroom production or G.P. trim.
Moto G.P. banned 2Ts, because 4Ts could not compete like for like..cc for cc..
Heres an expert view for your ongoing education..
From Michael Scott,
"2-strokes had already been systematically killed off on the street [more Honda influence], so racing was robbed of the best engine for the job; streetbikes too."
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Face it Bill, it is not your call, & repeating youself as a self proclaimed arbiter on the matter does not provide validity, on every actual point in contention you have been found wrong, whether you admit it or not...
Bill, clearly you subscibe to General Melchet`s dictum..
"If all else fails, then a pig-headed refusal to face facts will see us through."
Do you actually read the posts, its seems not..
 
Bill, [although I dont think it will register with you- but others might get it] in point of fact, Kawasaki was so embarrassed by the perceived loss of face when the Z1 lost that Superbike shootout to the H2, that they began detuning their triples & then phased them out [the fact that they could make much more on sales/servicing fees for the Z1 did have something to do with it], whereas Yamaha kept developing their 2Ts & still sell them now.
 
it is not my call nor is it your call as we are just one person spending our money but you are the one that refuses to to see that most products are market driven BUT must also meet government regulations be it emissions, fuel economy or safety. You have also not proven me wrong on these points either or to your ring ding being more than a nitch market power plant. Again where is the ding pop street bikes or automobiles?????

J.A.W. said:
Face it Bill, it is not your call, & repeating youself as a self proclaimed arbiter on the matter does not provide validity, on every actual point in contention you have been found wrong, whether you admit it or not...
Bill, clearly you subscibe to Genral Melchet`s dictum..
"If all else fails, then a pig-headed refusal to face facts will see us through."
Do you actually read the posts, its seems not..
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Once again suzuki WAS also a huge proponent of the 2 smoke but where did they go???? The same way as the dodo bird. was this also the fault of Honda??? I guess that I need my tin foil hat and watch out for the black helicopters.

J.A.W. said:
Bill, [although I dont think it will register with you- but others might get it] in point of fact, Kawasaki was so embarrassed by the perceived loss of face when the Z1 lost that Superbike shootout to the H2, that they began detuning their triples & then phased them out [the fact that they could make much more on sales/servicing fees for the Z1 did have something to do with it], whereas Yamaha kept developing their 2Ts & still sell them now.
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Nah, Bill, -just keep taking the meds...you`ve already got the" believing the hype "down pat...
 
don't need med's as a good Newcastle brown will suffice. there is also NO hype needed to see what sells and what don't and it looks like the ding pop lost out on the show room floor and regulations!!!!!

J.A.W. said:
Nah, Bill, -just keep taking the meds...you`ve already got the" believing the hype "down pat...
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If your ring ding is everything that you claim than as they say "build it and they will come" :lol: are you willing to take the gamble as no other major manufacture is willing put there money in to your beliefs of the wonders of the 2 smoke.
 
ETOH/acquired brain injury then eh, sorry Bill, I know why you are the way you are...
By the way, will you be going for a test ride at the Husky dealer if 'n' when?..L.O.L.
How is the NEW Commando selling, then -Bill? Have you put a deposit down on one?
 
So we have resulted to name calling as you cannot dispute my stance as to the ring ding as a nitch market engine and will NEVER make it to main stream use. As to the husky ( if and when :lol: ) I like my old Norton and have no need for it as it does what i want it to.

J.A.W. said:
ETOH/acquired brain injury then eh, sorry Bill, I know why you are the way you are...
By the way, will you be going for a test ride at the Husky dealer if 'n' when?..L.O.L.
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Last time a Brit [Barry Sheene] won the Moto 1 title, [about 3, or 4 centuries ago] he was riding a Suzuki, now they cant even afford to race G.P.s - fat lazy slug 4Ts are too expensive..name calling like ding bat or whatever?, nah -just a description..
 
CHAINSAWS ?

Commando in Context.


Probly not good P.R.

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I like those old Nortons too, Bill. Do you know why they dont sell them anymore?
& as I wrote, if your crystal ball is so good, why aren`t you a Vegas playa..
 
Matt, get back on topic, where is that Castrol 6hr gen? [as if you would post it...]
 
The economics of the world has put a hurting on a lot of manufacturers and unfortunately racing is not where the money is made so they made the decision to pull out of prototype racing and down scale the rest. You still have NEVER proven me wrong as to the viability of the ding pop ( description not name calling) as a major power plant or as to why Suzuki, Kawasaki and Yamaha abandoned them or was it Honda's fault???

J.A.W. said:
Last time a Brit [Barry Sheene] won the Moto 1 title, [about 3, or 4 centuries ago] he was riding a Suzuki, now they cant even afford to race G.P.s - fat lazy slug 4Ts are too expensive..name calling like ding bat or whatever?, nah -just a description..
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Bill, the NEW Commando, is it cuz of it being too neeche that it aint selling?
Are Royal Oilfields selling?
 
Since you dont actually read the posted evidence Bill, & you cant look for yourself, or wont accept the facts when they are in your face...why let facts cloud the issue?
 
It went the same way as the dodo bird. a 40's design and Norton like the rest of the british industry refused to see what was happening around them. The jap's, they would change in a hurry instead at a glacial pace hence the demise of your much beloved ding pop and like my old Norton. MARKET DRIVEN get it yet.

Vegas is a fools game, they did not build it by giving away money.


J.A.W. said:
I like those old Nortons too, Bill. Do you know why they dont sell them anymore?
& as I wrote, if your crystal ball is so good, why aren`t you a Vegas playa..
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Again WHERE are the facts as you put it that a MAJOR manufacturer is using a ring ding in a street bike or automobile?????

J.A.W. said:
Since you dont actually read the posted evidence Bill, & you cant look for yourself, or wont accept the facts when they are in your face...why let facts cloud the issue?
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