Commando in Context.

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It would not gall me to see it as we have a choice at the moment to buy what we like, BUT if history proves me right ALL fossil fuel engines will go away in time. I will still say it again, you will not see a large displacement ring ding as a road vehicle. as fuel prices continue to rise we become more aware of fuel consumption (not good in a 2T) and the emission's and fuel economy continue to get stricter it has no future. again where are the 2T autos as they have stricter requirements (emissions and fuel economy) to be road legal. If your thinking was correct it would be the dominant power plant in all vehicles.

J.A.W. said:
Bill,- it would really gall you, huh?
From Sept `12 Cycle World, re the E-Tec 2Ts as road-legal bike mills...
"If the strong hints dropped by Husky prove true, it may not be long before something like that hits production".
Guess you`ll be lining up at the Husky dealership for a test ride, too eh, Bill?
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bill said:
It would not gall me to see it as we have a choice at the moment to buy what we like, BUT if history proves me right ALL fossil fuel engines will go away in time. I will still say it again, you will not see a large displacement ring ding as a road vehicle. as fuel prices continue to rise we become more aware of fuel consumption (not good in a 2T) and the emission's and fuel economy continue to get stricter it has no future. again where are the 2T autos as they have stricter requirements (emissions and fuel economy) to be road legal. If your thinking was correct it would be the dominant power plant in all vehicles.

J.A.W. said:
Bill,- it would really gall you, huh?
From Sept `12 Cycle World, re the E-Tec 2Ts as road-legal bike mills...
"If the strong hints dropped by Husky prove true, it may not be long before something like that hits production".
Guess you`ll be lining up at the Husky dealership for a test ride, too eh, Bill?
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I agree, we'll not see big two stroke street bikes return.. but for different reasons. Four stroke tech has come along, 125p from a 600cc sport bike is the norm, about the same as a 600cc two stroke sled engine. The lightweight advantage has lessened as the DFI has added weight.
 
Postby J.A.W. » Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:52 pm
Where`s my jet-pack!, Hobot what are you really planning to use that hydrogen peroxide for...not going blond for fun purposes I take it...
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I see you remember what I mention. Are you collecting evidence? Yes I had to figure out a way to even take on that turbine traction propelled cycle with a tire smoking passing gear, tires smoking d/t inertial drag to spin up fast enough to keep up with the thrust. About that point the need of pressure suit come up as some have died passing out from the smooth if abrupt steaming H202 reaction.

Commando in Context.


Btw there is a type of 2stroke coming on line that a boxer type crank but only one cylinder bore

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/ne ... oke-engine

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-10413645-48.html
 
Thanks Hobot, great stuff, I done been wanting one of those since Will Robinson was a boy..
Bill, your unscientific & irrational inability to face facts is hilarious. The ONLY reason there is not a 2T roadbike in the showrooms right now is the attitude exemplified by naysayers like Bill. On every objective level, the 2T is a natural fit for sports bike...as the Commando was in its day..& still is compared to a 4T 600/4 which are gutless below 10,000rpm but are still buzzy/boring/annoying to ride other-wise.
Matt, does that mechano-shark have vernier isos? & when are you going to reveal your actual [not fantasy]ride?
 
Oh my Matt that was some clever farmer and engine and flight control. Too bad we are stuck with plain ole pair of thumpers strapped together as one.
 
Of course the Brits [using the best Nazi science available] did one earlier...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBTF5Ps4Scs
& as stated previously where pure efficiency/cost effectiveness matters [ship mills] 2Ts are the dominant design, recreational vehicles & private cars are marketing profit driven, just look at what the [marketing/profit driven] move to 4Ts in MX has done to the grass-roots of that sport, its too costly now for kid & Dad racing..
http://www.cycleworld.com/2011/04/05/fo ... n-cameron/
 
A cloud of dust and a hearty Hi Ho . . . Not to sure where all the smokes coming from. Will need a closer look .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_2lqoob ... _embedded#!

In regard to the 8 gallon H2 .

Mick Grant rewrote the record books in 1975 when he smashed Mike Hailwood's eight-year-old record.

He waited until the second lap of the final race of the week, the six-lap Classic, in which he rode a three-cylinder Kawasaki, to establish new record of 109.82mph.

Unfortunately his chain broke on the next circuit and Yamaha mounted John Williams took the lead.

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The Production event was increased to an amazing ten laps, making it the longest-ever TT race. Two riders shared the distance on one machine, and Alex George and Dave Croxford continued Slippery Sam's amazing TT exploits by winning the 750cc class

Thereafter the Japs saw to it that it was banned, for being ' to old ' . So Helmut Dahne won Production next year , on a B M W . :mrgreen:
 
I am NOT the one being unscientific or irrational. YOU refuse face the fact that the ring ding will NEVER be a main stream power plant in to the future and NEVER WAS in the past. I will ask you AGAIN " WHERE IS THE DING POP AUTOMOBILES" . Ever thing you say is either COULD BE, WOULD or when it was-is used it is in a SMALL nitch off road market. As to a modern 600 I also think you are SADLY mistaken as they are NOT totally gutless below 10,000 RPM, they have a pretty good spread of power over a VERY large RPM range. if you will go back to the 470 HP boat motor, if you take it down to 1 liter it on theory would make 142 HP where as a modern liter bike today does 180+ HP and the motogp liter bikes are almost 250HP. wake up to the 21st century and reality .


J.A.W. said:
Bill, your unscientific & irrational inability to face facts is hilarious. The ONLY reason there is not a 2T roadbike in the showrooms right now is the attitude exemplified by naysayers like Bill. On every objective level, the 2T is a natural fit for sports bike...as the Commando was in its day..& still is compared to a 4T 600/4 which are gutless below 10,000rpm but are still buzzy/boring/annoying to ride other-wise.
Matt, does that mechano-shark have vernier isos? & when are you going to reveal your actual [not fantasy]ride?
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As further reality orientation Bill, can I suggest you read the thread titled 'Moto G.P. Progress?' on the 'Anything else motorcycle related' forum? Wakey wakey..
Matt how did Mick Grant`s best I.o.M. TT lap on a F 750 J.P.N. compare with his best lap on an F 750 triple, speed/time/distance -wise?
& Drag out your Castrol 6hr book & cite Atlee`s qualifying & best race lap on his production Combat, & how it compares with the H2s in the same race can you?
 
was this a serious post :roll: as with most products it is market driven. you will not see a sales flop on next years lot for sale but you will find a great deal on last years flop.If I follow your logic will go into the buggy whip manufacturing business and see how I do. What happened to the Sabb ring ding car ????? and that was pre emissions so it looks like the market killed it. As to grass roots racing it is still alive here in the states and with everything else it does cost more, just look at how our gas prices have rising. we had $ 1.25 gas in 2006 and it is now $3.50. as fuel prices continue to go up and stagnant wages it has an effect on every thing we have to have so I do not blame the decline of grass roots racing on the cost of a 4 stroke dirt bike.

J.A.W. said:
recreational vehicles & private cars are marketing profit driven, just look at what the [marketing/profit driven] move to 4Ts in MX has done to the grass-roots of that sport, its too costly now for kid & Dad racing..
http://www.cycleworld.com/2011/04/05/fo ... n-cameron/
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Bill, whenever one of your points is shown to be invalid, you just change the subject, until you turn 180 degrees & find yourself repeating my point, but of cousre you cant admit that..
Have you checked the facts on G.P. bikes yet?
Concours, have another look at the dyno charts posted earlier in this thread, 2Ts dont have to rev stupid to make torque, unlike a 4T, 600/4..[repeated below]
http://www.kawtriple.com/mraxl/articles ... bikes2.htm
 
All you have to do is look at where the auto industry is going with hybrid's and electric cars along with the war on fosell fuel power plant's. Is it in the near future or my life time? I doubt it but it will eventually happen. my server will not let go to that site along with some others (thank you Hughes net)

J.A.W. said:
Bill, if you are SO confident in your pronouncements about the future - why aren`t you in Las Vegas bleeding the casinos dry? L.O.L.
& as for your fossil fuel doom-casting, read this -
http://www.afde.energy.gov/pdfs/epa-fischer.pdf
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Fischer-Tropche process [as used by the -yes you guessed it- the Nazis] will allow practical, affordable use of energy dense liquid fuels for many years, well, until the "Singularity", anyway.
 
I have not made a 180 turn to repeat your point any wherever in this chat. the ding pop is not nor will it be a viable road going large displacement high production engine as it is a thirsty and dirty engine. this started out as the vibrating smoking ill handling H2 that you refused to admit to with comparing it to a race bike (non stock) to where we are now. you are the one that refuses to see that it is a nitch market engine and the only way it survives is because of the more lax OFF ROAD emission standards. the tier 4 emission standard's are not far off and how will it meet this one?? or will it get a break as an off road or low production engine??
The moto gp trouble is a lot more involved and I am not going there.
As to torque output it is more involved than the ring ding V 4 stroke. it has a lot more to do with how the engine is tuned IE cam-port timing, exhaust and intake to name just a few things.

J.A.W. said:
Bill, whenever one of your points is shown to be invalid, you just change the subject, until you turn 180 degrees & find yourself repeating my point, but of cousre you cant admit that..
Have you checked the facts on G.P. bikes yet?
Concours, have another look at the dyno charts posted earlier in this thread, 2Ts dont have to rev stupid to make torque, unlike a 4T, 600/4..
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How about Honda & chainsaws Bill, -not going there either?- So, why now, is it that Honda does not sell chainsaws?..because...even 4T ideologues as they are...they cannot make one that is marketable... if money was no object....they could build a dry-sump turbo 4T that would work at all angles...but the weight/complexity/warranty issues would kill them, even if they wanted to sell them at a loss..
 
Bill, again you demonstrate how far out of your depth you are, the H2R racebike was based on the H2 streetbike, as F 750 rules required, & like-wise the F 750 Norton was based on the Commando streetbike, & they raced against each other in equivalent classes, both showroom production or G.P. trim.
Moto G.P. banned 2Ts, because 4Ts could not compete like for like..cc for cc..
Heres an expert view for your ongoing education..
From Michael Scott,
"2-strokes had already been systematically killed off on the street [more Honda influence], so racing was robbed of the best engine for the job; streetbikes too."
 
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