A lot of bad feelings arising.

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A lot of bad feelings arising.
 
As much as AndyBoy is a long time prat he didn't run a young man over leaving him to die on the road then get flown out (abscond without accountability) of a country they had been made welcome in (as a civilian foreigner ) by a division of a major power.
I bet his parents are still crying.
 
Living fairly nearby the United Nations, that BS happens fairly often. Ok. Accidents happen, but sometimes it is clearly a case of some over privileged prick behaving recklessly and and getting away with it. These laws need to change.
 
I see she's pleaded guilty
I'm wondering how long she'll get inside :rolleyes: 🤔
 
baz said:
I see she's pleaded guilty
I'm wondering how long she'll get inside :rolleyes: 🤔
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She plead guilty to the lesser charge of death by careless driving, death by dangerous driving charge was dropped. So as first time offender to the lower charge, doubt it will be anything higher than a suspended sentence and likely lower. Which I nearly predicted in post 6.
 
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kommando said:
She plead guilty to the lesser charge of death by careless driving, death by dangerous driving charge was dropped. So as first time offender to the lower charge, doubt it will be anything higher than a suspended sentence and likely lower. Which I nearly predicted in post 6.
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As I understand it, for a charge of dangerous driving to stick, there has to be proof that the danger, or risk, was international. For example, if you were street racing, you can’t argue you we’re racing by accident !

So in this case, assuming she wasn’t on the wrong side of the road on purpose, dangerous driving doesn’t sound like it would stick. Truth is, she was on the wrong side of the road because she was not driving with due care and attention.
 
Fast Eddie said:
As I understand it, for a charge of dangerous driving to stick, there has to be proof that the danger, or risk, was international. For example, if you were street racing, you can’t argue you we’re racing by accident !

So in this case, assuming she wasn’t on the wrong side of the road on purpose, dangerous driving doesn’t sound like it would stick. Truth is, she was on the wrong side of the road because she was not driving with due care and attention.
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She was fined in 2006 for 'failure to pay full time attention behind the wheel " according to Google
So I doubt she will ever change
 
I can understand driving wrong side in a country that is different from your home country. There is a certain level of subconscious control of driving a car going on and sometimes the conscious mind is just off doing other things.
What I cannot abide is leaving the scene and then leaving the country to avoid charges etc. That should incur heavier repercussions than it has in this case.
 
Tornado said:
I can understand driving wrong side in a country that is different from your home country. There is a certain level of subconscious control of driving a car going on and sometimes the conscious mind is just off doing other things.
What I cannot abide is leaving the scene and then leaving the country to avoid charges etc. That should incur heavier repercussions than it has in this case.
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In the US, most states, leaving the scene turns an accident into something much worse - hopefully the same is true there. Hit and Run with a death would probably bring at least a charge of manslaughter. Also, to me, diplomatic immunity for the spouse of an intelligence officer is dubious. Pretty sure the US military members are not considered diplomats so not sure why another non-embassy organization would be.

The first I heard of this was on the radio yesterday - glad she pled guilty.

The same has happened in DC more than once while I've lived in Virginia. At least those were actual diplomats. Only a guess, but for the US Govt. to grant her diplomatic status makes me think she was more than the spouse of an intelligence officer. I would sure like to see the passport she used to enter the UK.
 
Tornado said:
I can understand driving wrong side in a country that is different from your home country. There is a certain level of subconscious control of driving a car going on and sometimes the conscious mind is just off doing other things.
What I cannot abide is leaving the scene and then leaving the country to avoid charges etc. That should incur heavier repercussions than it has in this case.
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was it a LHD vehicle and what side of the road do staff drive inside that US base in the UK??
 
As I understand it she and her husband left the country the next day. If you ask me, the husband's complicit. And how does he just up and leave his station? Who else has a part n this? As a vet, this smells.
 
jan nelder said:
was it a LHD vehicle and what side of the road do staff drive inside that US base in the UK??
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On the left-hand side.
www.quora.com

When actually on a US base in the United Kingdom, such as Croughton, do personnel drive on the left or right of the road?

Answer (1 of 7): As someone who worked on US Air Force bases in the UK for several years (including RAF Croughton), I can answer this. These bases are owned by the Ministry of Defence, and US forces are merely tenants. All UK laws are in effect, including road regulations. So there is no transit...
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"These bases are owned by the Ministry of Defence, and US forces are merely tenants. All UK laws are in effect, including road regulations. So there is no transition from left to right when you enter a base."

If you go to Google maps then the road markings are for driving on the left.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.9919029,-1.1865669,115m/data=!3m1!1e3
 
I'm wondering if she had the USAFE permit that US military personnel have to have to drive on UK roads ?
 
baz said:
I'm wondering if she had the USAFE permit that US military personnel have to have to drive on UK roads ?
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Not sure about the UK, but if I remember right in Germany, I had 30 days to get it. In the meantime, the US license was enough (like a tourist). An international permit was also recommended but not required.

When I visited England and Scotland, I was super aware when driving - couldn't imagine being in a wreck for driving on the wrong side. Even after two weeks I still thought through every corner before turning. I can't imagine being nonchalant enough to make that mistake. To hurt someone and run is ridiculous, especially in a country where you're a guest.
 
There is a minute by minute, word for word account of the trial
of Anne Sacoolas who killed Harry Dunn on his motorcycle as it
is happening in the High Court on the BBC web site now
 
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