A four cyclinder starting problem

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Hi, apolgies that this thread is about a Jap bike. I recieved lots of good advice from this site in the past, so hopefully ou guys dont mind??? For those who dont know me, I’m British but currently living in Austria.

Last month I bought a Green 1989 ZXR H1. I’ve wanted a completely original example for ages, so I’m super happy with it. It hasn’t been run on the road for 9 years, so it requires a bit of recommissioning. Most of the ‘Renovation’ is going smoothly except for the fuelling……..

I managed to get the bike started with some fresh fuel and a new battery. Fuel Selector Valve was leaking but that was easily fixed with a repair kit. Also replaced the fuel lines as they were perished. Checked the fuel pump in isolation and that worked well. Ran the bike up and down the road and all seemed ok. Big thumbs up I thought. Then yesterday for no explainable reason the bike wouldn’t start. It seems like the bike is flooding as you can smell the fuel plus the spark plugs are wet. I removed the carbs and checked the floats, they seem to float ok. Checked the valve floats are sealing. Blew through the main jet and that is clear. Reassembled the carbs and prepared to refit them.

Now comes the strange bit; I lay the carbs on the top of the engine and connected the control cables. At this point the carbs are not connected to the engine. I turned the engine over, and the bike started! It ran for maybe 1 second then died. I’m guessing this is all pointing towards ‘flooding’ but I wondered if guys had any thoughts on my next move should be? Should I purchase a carb repair kit (diaphrams, jets, floats etc), or is there a shrewder alternative?
 
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Tri Spark and new Amal Premiers mate 😁

The only serious advice I can give is that Japanese carbs are SUPER sensitive to dirt and consequent flooding. Even dirt you can’t see!

Dunno what’s already on there, but a good quality in line filter may help.

I’d also say yes to the rebuild kit. Lots of important rubber bits in there that were not designed for ethanol etc.
 
Hi, apolgies that this thread is about a Jap bike. I recieved lots of good advice from this site in the past, so hopefully ou guys dont mind??? For those who dont know me, I’m British but currently living in Austria.

Last month I bought a Green 1989 ZXR H1. I’ve wanted a completely original example for ages, so I’m super happy with it. I hasn’t been run on the road for 9 years, so it requires a bit of recommissioning. Most of the ‘Renovation’ is going smoothly except for the fuelling……..

I managed to get the bike started with some fresh fuel and a new battery. Fuel Selector Valve was leaking but that was easily fixed with a repair kit. Also replaced the fuel lines as they were perished. Checked the fuel pump in isolation and that worked well. Ran the bike up and down the road and all seemed ok. Big thumbs up I thought. Then yesterday for no explainable reason the bike wouldn’t start. It seems like the bike is flooding as you can smell the fuel plus the spark plugs are wet. I removed the carbs and checked the floats, they seem to float ok. Checked the valve floats are sealing. Blew through the main jet and that is clear. Reassembled the carbs and prepared to refit them.

Now comes the strange bit; I lay the carbs on the top of the engine and connected the control cables. At this point the carbs are not connected to the engine. I turned the engine over, and the bike started! It ran for maybe 1 second then died. I’m guessing this is all pointing towards ‘flooding’ but I wondered if guys had any thoughts on my next move should be? Should I purchase a carb repair kit (diaphrams, jets, floats etc), or is there a shrewder alternative?
I've done dozens of these repair jobs.
INSPECT the needles, seats and floats. For wear & corrosion.
By far the most common is corrosion/deposits on the needle & seat from sitting.
I use a wooden dowel (chopsticks or a kitchen match) along with Mother's Mag to polish the seat, a rag & Mother's for the needle.
Resist purchasing "carb kits" because the Chinese made parts in them usually suck.
Test on the bench before re-installing.
 
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I'm with Concours on the carb parts. I would try to source OEM internals for the carbs. I know when I did my 1978 GL-1000 Honda still had parts for them. Heard too many bad stories about after market stuff.
 
I'm with Concours on the carb parts. I would try to source OEM internals for the carbs. I know when I did my 1978 GL-1000 Honda still had parts for them. Heard too many bad stories about after market stuff.
I recently did a set for a Zook Bandit, got parts here: https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/kawasaki/motorcycle/1989/ninja-zx-7-zx750-h1/carburetor-parts
This case was special, the bikes' owner is a Land Rover mechanic, and soaked the carbs in carburetor cleaner. All the rubber bits were swollen/softened. Added to the cost & time.
 
I must admit that any exposure to chemicals causes me to notice it immediately. That stuff ain't vitamin C.
 


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