Ugh, not a good day, but no wreck

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Agree with Concours and Swoosh - whenever mine was left for any time the pilot circuit would invariably clog up.
Easy fix though - remove pilot jet and prod out with brass wire - the stuff that they use to decorate wine bottles is perfect, and for other reasons too ;)
A sumpful of oil will certainly make life more difficult, but won't prevent it running on its own - I never bother draining the sump after lay-up, but I'm 225lb :)
 
Dave,

Know the feeling mate! I would investigate pilot jets, as the plug should be wet after all the carb tickling. Not sure about Avgas, but unleaded loves to clog up the pilot circuit after a winter lay up. A #78 drill or the equivalent 16 thou is the way I clean them, I use one of those little tubes of aerosol cans, like WD40 and carb cleaner as a drill holder. You may need some 5 minute araldite? Just carefully twist the drill throught the passage once the needle screw is removed. Then blast is with carb cleaner.

Then blow some compressed air through and hold the pilot air hole in the carb bell mouth so the air rushes back through to the float bowl, just to make sure. Another area that can block is the two small drillings either side of the slide in the venturi, check these with some tip cleaners, or number drill.

One of these little critters kept me amused for hours trying to get mine running properly.

Hope to hear she is running soon? And give us a report on the Anodised slides?

Cheers Richard
 
Sump drained and new oil added just before ignition. It's probably all back in the sump this AM.

Pilot jets cleared with carb cleaner in the pilot screw hole. Saw the stream coming out of the hole inside the throttle area, out the hole in the bowl area, out the hole in the air filter area, I think that's all of them. Did that several times. But the dry plugs are getting to me. I'll try screwing in the pilot for richer circuit. Pretty sure the pilot circuit is clean but I'll run the guitar string through them.

Anyhow, just for drill going to check the Pazon, it's easy enough to pull the plugs and see, try new set of plugs, at least the last ones I had that worked. Then I'm going to put in my old EW taps in the tank and see if I've got them fixed from dripping. Tank is in the garage and bike is in workroom where I can't start it (inside the house) and it's raining now.

Compression is not an issue. and for some reason even though I've cut out the Margaritas and not replaced them, I haven't lost an ounce.

As soon as it clears up again, I'll have it back out on the patio. This will give me time to plant the tomatoes in their little flats.

Dave
69S
 
No spark from Pazon. Pulled plugs, clipped to head, ignition on, 12.6VDC at input to Pazon unit. Kick over, no spark. Removed trigger wires like suggested in troubleshooting and shorted trigger wires faster than 1 cycle per second with ignition on, 12.6V at input to SureFire. No spark.

Sent them a message as to where I go from here. Bought unit from MAP Cycle in FL last year.

Dave
69S
 
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New discovery, one of the 6V coils is completely open. Not a bit of resistance to be read anywhere on the unit. Emgo, ugh. This may save Pazon, sorry Steve.

Dave
69S
 
Ah so, that's a big clue it an electrical type fuel problem : )
You did save your old ugh-ly Lucas coils for this occasion didn't you?
 
Well, of course, but I'd have to go back to the AAU since the Lucas coils are 12V, that was when they had separate circuit for each plug, 69/70. Pazon requires 6V coils in series. Wondering about the Emgo coils now and maybe should get something better, but want to keep the original look. Don't know if MAP will warranty the coil, it probably only has 200 miles on it, got it last June. It sure seems to explain a lot, it probably died on the 4th stroke from startup, but holding breath on the new carb parts. At least it didn't happen 80 miles from home.

Dave
69S
 
Dave , you old 12volt coils should be adequate to get the bike running to make sure that this is indeed your problem.
 
I know nothing about Pazon ignitions but the coils in series might be necessary to raise the resistance high enough for the EI. Lower resistnace of 12v coils in parallel might be bad for the ignition. Check before you fire!

Russ
 
rvich said:
Lower resistnace of 12v coils in parallel might be bad for the ignition. Check before you fire!
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A 12V coil usually has a higher resistance than a similar type 6V coil.

Pazon Altair installation instructions states that: "This system is designed to give optimum results with two 6 volt ignition coils or one 12 volt dual output coil with a primary resistance of 3 to 4.5 ohms. Running with two 12 volt coils will not give good results.".

The Pazon Sure-Fire instructions says: "For low compression ratio engines (less than 9:1), two 12 volt coils connected in series can be used, but we strongly recommend running with two 6 volt coils connected in series or one 12 volt dual output coil with a primary resistance of 3 to 4.5 ohms."
 
I can wait for another coil. Like LAB says, Pazon doesn't recommend 12V coils. As to the dry plugs, we'll find out. But I did have fire for about 4 hits with the first kick. I bet that's when the coil died, it quit in a hurry. I notice that the grease on the slides is gone already too. It's cold the rest of the week anyhow and I need to get my tomatoes started and check out the old fuel taps I tried repairing.

It just goes to show, check for the simple things first. I should have checked for spark right away, but because I had fire, I didn't. It would have shown up first thing and I possibly could have avoided taking the tank off and messing with the jets again.

Dave
69S
 
First off, anti-Amal people can just leave or don't read or start another anti-Amal thread, it's up to you.
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Sheesh Dog!

"Golly gosh old man, you've lost the lot! Get back to your bike and don't be such a wally whack!"
Ugh, not a good day, but no wreck
 
I wasn't proposing going on a trip with the 12 volt coils simply seeing if it had spark and perhaps fired the engine up with them on, at least then you would know that this is the problem, rather than wait a week for new coils only to find there is another problem.
 
Dave, well the Pazon people said that 12V coils can cause ignition problems, so do I wait for the right coil or maybe have other problems with 12V coils? I'm not in a big rush. It probably will only take 2-3 days anyhow and it's going to be cold and rainy all week. Thanks anyhow.

I just wanted to nip the Amal thing in the bud, I've seen them go on and on. Besides youse guys can take it, I know.

Dave
69S
 
"It just goes to show, check for the simple things first. I should have checked for spark right away, but because I had fire, I didn't. It would have shown up first thing and I possibly could have avoided taking the tank off and messing with the jets again."

I've just been there Dave, happens to the best of us.
Ed has been going along beautifully with the new Carbs untill just recently, wouldn't rev over 4,200,
popped and carried on a bit. A quick look at the plugs suggested something had gone horribly wrong
inside the carbs as both plugs were Black as, where they have been almost too lean.
Carbs off, clean out, check needles haven't moved, nothing wrong that I could see, back together.
No improvement, check plug leads. Try again, getting worse.
Fit new plugs, problem solved. How or why a pair of plugs decide to die while sitting in the shed, I don't know
But at least it's fixed.
Hope yours comes together ok, not sure about those dry plugs though.
AC.
 
Well, that avgas does evaporate fast. I did smell it in the plug hole, and it did run if real short and the coil is definitely dead, so here's hoping.

Dave
69S
 
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