ugh! new gas sucks!

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boz said:
Let's face it guys we are a dieing breed. If the greenies had thier way they would crush all our "old" bikes and cars. They would want us driving small cars that get 30+ MPG or even better eliminate gas and all fossil fuels and force us into little electric cars.
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Yah, but my bike gets 40mpg! And, im recycling! That's green in my book.
$9 a gallon is crazy. Wonder how high it'll get for you guys. Unfortunately I live in an
area that's one of the highest in the nation. Typically we see the prices go up first.
 
boz said:
Let's face it guys we are a dieing breed. If the greenies had thier way they would crush all our "old" bikes and cars. They would want us driving small cars that get 30+ MPG or even better eliminate gas and all fossil fuels and force us into little electric cars.
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In reality our old vehicles are the greenest, their carbon foot print is history where as new vehicles are adding theirs and they are big bu**ers too. And where the hell are we going to get all the electricity ? Now don't get me onto bloody windmills :evil:

Cash
 
[rant] In reality #2: the "greenies" aren't into ethanol. It wastes a lot of water to grow the additional corn and adds more chemicals (fertilizer) into the system. Plus it's driving up food prices. The whole ethanol thing was just a way for politicians of any stripe to funnel money to agribusiness concerns that pay for the ethanol lobby to funnel money to the politicians. Everyone pretty much agrees it's worse for the environment when you look at the big picture. We all know it's not good for older machines. Sadly it's not going to go away. [rant off].
 
The "green" lobby receives a good deal of its operating revenue from large corporate interests, and much of what is achieved actually benefits big business a great deal more than the environment. The "green" thing is just another way of getting people to buy things they dont want, at prices they cant afford, using borrowed money!
 
Don't forget the batteries. Obviously they would be hazardous too, and would no doubt need to be recycled which would also no doubt have some kind of huge recycling fee/tax. Where to pile up millions of huge batteries?

I just read the other day they are testing some kind of gps system where you pay a fee based on the distance you drive, kind of like turnpikes/toll roads except it would be all roads. If so that would be worse than ethanol/gas prices.
 
pelican said:
Don't forget the batteries. Obviously they would be hazardous too, and would no doubt need to be recycled which would also no doubt have some kind of huge recycling fee/tax. Where to pile up millions of huge batteries?

I just read the other day they are testing some kind of gps system where you pay a fee based on the distance you drive, kind of like turnpikes/toll roads except it would be all roads. If so that would be worse than ethanol/gas prices.
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I've wondered about thee green benifits of the electric and hybrid vehicles. All the exotic metals and whatnot associated with the batteries have to be produced and at some point disposed of. I don't see the upside to this environmentally. Not only that, the electricity has to be generated somewhere. Most power plants nowadays are gas fired turbines or steam turbine, or combined cycle. Then the power has to be transmitted to wherever the vehicles are being charged. Recent events (san bruno gas pipe failure) indicate that our infastructure is outdatedo and insufficient.

Let's see them put a gps on one of my older vehicles! If they can figure a way to do it, ill figure a way
to undo it. Screw all this big brother crap. Imagine, they will know where you are, where you've been, and probably where you are going and how fast you are traveling at all times. No tha
 
pelican said:
I just read the other day they are testing some kind of gps system where you pay a fee based on the distance you drive, kind of like turnpikes/toll roads except it would be all roads. If so that would be worse than ethanol/gas prices.
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A better way to do that would be to just raise the tax per gallon of gas. I would actually be in favor of that. The only way to persuade the public away from F150s and Escalades as grocery getters seems to be the cost of gas. They could use the money to maintain the roads we've neglected and maybe build some like the ones in Ludwig's last post, :D
 
Yep, those who claim to be serious about air pollution and C02 and "ain't it awful we buy oil from folks we don't like" should be demanding higher taxes on oil. If I had a say, it would be revenue neutral; some other tax would be eliminated. Tit for tat. Maybe abolish all payroll taxes and use energy taxes to fund social security?

And nix any and all subsidies for "alternative" energy; let them pay their own way; if they're for real then they can make it on their own; that means no subsidies for ethanol or electric cars or any other "emerging" energy technology.
 
Bob,
This will not happen.

They could use the money to maintain the roads we've neglected and maybe build some like the ones in Ludwig's last post,
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In the UK we have MPs say that poor roads are safer because they slow down the traffic :shock: Not only that we have "sleeping policemen" engineered humps in the road, you probably have too, hit one of these on your Commando at the speed limit and you're air bourne big style, its not funny I'll tell you. :evil:

Our lot are just unaccountable anywhere else half of 'em would be jailed.

Where's my blood pressure pills.

Cash
 
I drove almost exactly 70,000 miles last year. At 28mpg winter, 32mpg summer. I won't shock anyone with what it cost me. :shock:
Needless to say. High price/GPS is of absolutely no interest to me. :evil:
 
In the UK we have MPs say that poor roads are safer because they slow down the traffic :shock: Not only that we have "sleeping policemen" engineered humps in the road, you probably have too, hit one of these on your Commando at the speed limit and you're air bourne big style, its not funny I'll tell you. :evil:

Our lot are just unaccountable anywhere else half of 'em would be jailed.

Where's my blood pressure pills.

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It seems very worrying that here in the UK we are probably the most heavily taxed road users on the planet, yet certainly have by far the worst roads (at least in comparison to prosperous 1st world countries!).

Then again the people of the UK are pretty apathetic, and seemed entirely comfortable with £100 billion of taxpayers money being gifted to the corrupt financial services industry, and remain silent when health, education, and welfare services budgets are all cut back to pay for this!
 
Carbonfibre said:
It seems very worrying that here in the UK we are probably the most heavily taxed road users on the planet, yet certainly have by far the worst roads (at least in comparison to prosperous 1st world countries!).
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In the US we have this vague idea that the roads are much better in Europe. Northern Europe, and especially Ludwig's neck of the woods must be motorcycle heaven. I know a woman who was some kind of planning bigshot at CalTrans who went to Europe last year. She spent time in Switzerland and in the UK. She doesn't ride or even drive for fun so her view is basically nuts and bolts of road building and and maintenance. She was naturally impressed with Switzerland but also the UK. She did say that it was a patchwork as far as the UK went regarding capacity and maintenance though. Intermittent funding she called it. The intermission if definitely here in the US. maybe it's time to look at a BMW GS.
 
Other than the motorways (which are often heavily congested due to roadworks!) the UKs roads are in an appalling state of repair!
 
I f the increase in price was for superior product or taxes for road improvements, I wouldn't bitch. Unfortunately its pocket lining for the petrochemical executives. They've got us in a position where we are powerless and they know it.
Diesel fuel is around $4.20 a gallon here. My friend just got back from Baja Mexico and says its $1.20ish down there. Doesn't make sense.
 
Check out the tax on fuel in the US..........here in the UK I seem to remember tax makes up around 70% of the cost.
 
If your roads are as screwed up as it sounds, where is your tax money going? Seems that for what you are paying, your streets should be in better order. California tries to keep up on the roads, but the high amount of traffiic makes it a neverending game of catch up. The patches and repairs rarely make it through the winter rainy season. It is a logistical nightmare to try to close a road for repaving.
 
Its not new I think it was Winston Churchill who first took the revenue from road tax and put it into the general exchequer.
 
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