Trident ~ true phoenix
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Hmm .. you're the second one to state that , I assumed (without checking ) that the dealers (Triumph) would have put it on in correct fashion..
Will look into the issue , thanks..
Just checked.. sure is ~ the rear wheel despite pattern going same way .. the rotation direction is correct ~
Will look into the issue , thanks..
Just checked.. sure is ~ the rear wheel despite pattern going same way .. the rotation direction is correct ~
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Onya Stuart,
Looks terrific mate. Great job.
Those first couple of rides after the rebuild - so many little niggling problems, but they sort quickly and it's amazing how much the bike improves each run. Gave the Norton full throttle for the first time today - only for a brief squirt during the ride. Also took the revs a bit closer to the red as well. Amazing. Really amazing.
Are all old Brit bikes so addictive or is it just the ones you rebuild?
I'll have to get 'sick' for a week or so and ride the Norton up and say g'day! That would certainly complete the running-in.
Looks terrific mate. Great job.
Those first couple of rides after the rebuild - so many little niggling problems, but they sort quickly and it's amazing how much the bike improves each run. Gave the Norton full throttle for the first time today - only for a brief squirt during the ride. Also took the revs a bit closer to the red as well. Amazing. Really amazing.
Are all old Brit bikes so addictive or is it just the ones you rebuild?
I'll have to get 'sick' for a week or so and ride the Norton up and say g'day! That would certainly complete the running-in.
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yep Dave..
And we'll 'do ' the Gilllies together.. that would be the highlight of the trip ~
All coming together . I (hope) I have got the leaking rocker box sealed ~ did both for the hell of it ~
( Do a U Tube search on ride the Gillies range. there are heaps of vids . Just sitting otn eh side of the road over aweekend would e as good a the IOM TT ~ :shock: :lol: )
Glad to hear you have it sorted ~ 'talking' to Graeme M .. the man for your Boyer ~ poor bugger, is havng issues with his new Commando !
And we'll 'do ' the Gilllies together.. that would be the highlight of the trip ~
All coming together . I (hope) I have got the leaking rocker box sealed ~ did both for the hell of it ~
( Do a U Tube search on ride the Gillies range. there are heaps of vids . Just sitting otn eh side of the road over aweekend would e as good a the IOM TT ~ :shock: :lol: )
Glad to hear you have it sorted ~ 'talking' to Graeme M .. the man for your Boyer ~ poor bugger, is havng issues with his new Commando !
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Intriguing theory on fitting tyres A about T ~ wrong way round
I just got back home after getting the tyre rotated on the front wheel ~ (Remember ~ that was the issue with my Trident .. nothing else ~ OK..lol)
While I was waiting I ducked down to the SS Bolt man’s shop for a yarn ~
During this, the issue came up about whether a front tyre should in fact ne fitted A about T on purpose.
The theory came from a tarmac road racer ~
His theory is that based on riding style ` that is higher speeds , he asked .. When do you / we need maximum handling ability ~
Answer when we brake ~~ particularly at speed ~
And when one brakes your body weight and bike are forging forward... but you essentially want the tyre / wheel to retard in a motion equivalent of going backward..
Thus the front tyres essentially needs maximum grip !!!
So fit the front tyre A about T!
BTW the way the receptionist at the bike shop was ever so apologetic ~ I said why , not you r fault... when I came back she is still apologising ....
I said not your fault... she said- well we fitted it!! No... It was fitted in Cairns... OH!!! How much... (Quoted me $30 yesterday .. Ahh don’t worry about it ~ )
( So there is some reward for buying at the same outlets ... lol)
I just got back home after getting the tyre rotated on the front wheel ~ (Remember ~ that was the issue with my Trident .. nothing else ~ OK..lol)
While I was waiting I ducked down to the SS Bolt man’s shop for a yarn ~
During this, the issue came up about whether a front tyre should in fact ne fitted A about T on purpose.
The theory came from a tarmac road racer ~
His theory is that based on riding style ` that is higher speeds , he asked .. When do you / we need maximum handling ability ~
Answer when we brake ~~ particularly at speed ~
And when one brakes your body weight and bike are forging forward... but you essentially want the tyre / wheel to retard in a motion equivalent of going backward..
Thus the front tyres essentially needs maximum grip !!!
So fit the front tyre A about T!
BTW the way the receptionist at the bike shop was ever so apologetic ~ I said why , not you r fault... when I came back she is still apologising ....
I said not your fault... she said- well we fitted it!! No... It was fitted in Cairns... OH!!! How much... (Quoted me $30 yesterday .. Ahh don’t worry about it ~ )
( So there is some reward for buying at the same outlets ... lol)
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Stuart SS said:
But don't you think tyre companies already know that? Which is the reason why they direction mark tyres the way they do-because rear tyre belting construction is laid to resist drive rotation forces and front tyre belting to resist braking forces!
Also with the tyre turned, the carefully designed tread rain groove pattern would be reversed!
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Yep indeedy ~ I was more than a little gob smacked by the discussion really .. but then the conversation rotated around by and on reference to Hurlie Ferguson/ riders ~ heavy / large weight ~ and as they even admitted ~ dubious handling ~
So I have to admit that this post while intriguing has to be a wind up ~
I still wonder if "Roger" was rattling my chain .... my being a Brit bike rider ~
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Hey ~ We are legal ~ ~ lol
FINALLY grew mahooners big enough to run the gauntlet of road worthy and the Motor Registry office ~ ( I was very nervous about it as I felt there might well be issues after all not being registered in QLD and no idea of previous records!
The spanner was suspect about the rear brake and asked if the T150s in fact had a rear disc ?? The actual inspector stated right from the get go that it would pass in his opinion
The work shop foreman was openly and seriously concerned that as it had not been registered in QLD or at all on record ! ~ I could expect to walk a very rocky path !
So we went down the road with hat in hand expecting to walk a passage by Cat of Nine tails !
I was humble and gracious with the young girl that served me, from the start ~ and gave here my best spiel regarding the preVIN plate issue etc.
She politely and quite amicably corrected me by stating that as far as they were concerned, given I have the paper work and is correct , they're happy as the system simply says that anything prior to June 1976 , (not June 1975), then they were not concerned regarding a compliance plate ~ ( As I had repeatedly stated myself!)
In fact she never even left her booth, let alone ventured onto the street to verify frame and engine details !! (??) ~
Phew !!
Once home again I rechecked the spark colours, although it ran fine but wanted to, naturally verify carb performance. 1 & 3 fine, 2 a tad rich ~
Primary issues. Further stabilised instruments and oil gauge ~ Raised handle bars slightly ~ Checked out small oil leak again ~ The low beam apparently is erratic .
I may look into getting an official light vehicle modification certificate ~ Or maybe not ~ just run with a non - registered modification ~
At least the nasty part is now done ~ And the Government officer did not have three heads and a scalpel instead of a pen!
But the bike starts and runs just fine ~ after all the dramas with Carbs ~
Almost a personalised plate ~ GB ~ Great Britain ~ lol
It was pouring rain down earlier but as I figured we would get a window opportunity around 10,30 and sure enough ~ and I didn't get rained on at all ~ although it started to look rather threatening!
A brilliant and complete result !
Regards
Stuart
FINALLY grew mahooners big enough to run the gauntlet of road worthy and the Motor Registry office ~ ( I was very nervous about it as I felt there might well be issues after all not being registered in QLD and no idea of previous records!
The spanner was suspect about the rear brake and asked if the T150s in fact had a rear disc ?? The actual inspector stated right from the get go that it would pass in his opinion
The work shop foreman was openly and seriously concerned that as it had not been registered in QLD or at all on record ! ~ I could expect to walk a very rocky path !
So we went down the road with hat in hand expecting to walk a passage by Cat of Nine tails !
I was humble and gracious with the young girl that served me, from the start ~ and gave here my best spiel regarding the preVIN plate issue etc.
She politely and quite amicably corrected me by stating that as far as they were concerned, given I have the paper work and is correct , they're happy as the system simply says that anything prior to June 1976 , (not June 1975), then they were not concerned regarding a compliance plate ~ ( As I had repeatedly stated myself!)
In fact she never even left her booth, let alone ventured onto the street to verify frame and engine details !! (??) ~
Phew !!
Once home again I rechecked the spark colours, although it ran fine but wanted to, naturally verify carb performance. 1 & 3 fine, 2 a tad rich ~
Primary issues. Further stabilised instruments and oil gauge ~ Raised handle bars slightly ~ Checked out small oil leak again ~ The low beam apparently is erratic .
I may look into getting an official light vehicle modification certificate ~ Or maybe not ~ just run with a non - registered modification ~
At least the nasty part is now done ~ And the Government officer did not have three heads and a scalpel instead of a pen!
But the bike starts and runs just fine ~ after all the dramas with Carbs ~
Almost a personalised plate ~ GB ~ Great Britain ~ lol
It was pouring rain down earlier but as I figured we would get a window opportunity around 10,30 and sure enough ~ and I didn't get rained on at all ~ although it started to look rather threatening!
A brilliant and complete result !
Regards
Stuart
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Well Done !
"She politely and quite amicably corrected me by stating that as far as they were concerned, given I have the paper work and is correct , they're happy as the system simply says that anything prior to June 1976 , (not June 1975), then they were not concerned regarding a compliance plate ~ ( As I had repeatedly stated myself!)"
It's June '77 in Brisbane! I've had numerous arguments with 17 year old counter jockeys about that one. And their Stupervisors.
I bought a new Yamaha TT500 in late 1975 and it was the last one without a compliance plate.
"And the Government officer did not have three heads and a scalpel instead of a pen!"
No, they're all in Brisbane !
graeme
"She politely and quite amicably corrected me by stating that as far as they were concerned, given I have the paper work and is correct , they're happy as the system simply says that anything prior to June 1976 , (not June 1975), then they were not concerned regarding a compliance plate ~ ( As I had repeatedly stated myself!)"
It's June '77 in Brisbane! I've had numerous arguments with 17 year old counter jockeys about that one. And their Stupervisors.
I bought a new Yamaha TT500 in late 1975 and it was the last one without a compliance plate.
"And the Government officer did not have three heads and a scalpel instead of a pen!"
No, they're all in Brisbane !
graeme
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Ok ~ Post road worthy and some 500 miles down
Last weekend ~ went out to the local classic bikers get together held each Sunday mornings at Yungaburra ~ A real hotch potch of bikes ~ old and new plus Ducati's, and a few HD. Never took a single photo~ drongo
This was the first public appearance for the new Triple ~
The Trident was highly applauded and created a LOT of interest ~ Glynn, a classics mate and moral supporter was there was with his A65 Firebird~ and added much more positive comment ~
He invited to go for short trot ~ I had to gas up and looks like I went AWOL again ..lol Missing the group ~
I turned into the first lot of bikes I came across at Tinaroo dam, and thought, "Hmm this is not the right group!!" ~ but pressed on and said Gidday ~ it turned out to be a mob from Cairns. They invited me to join their poker run .
But I then watched the original classic blokes cruise past ~ and took off after them but missed them again.. So went solo to Tolga and Atherton and back to Malanda ~ and Home ~
A good all round outing ~
Techy stuff ~
The Trident is settling in and I am getting the feel of it now and throwing it around a lot more... It started getting a little irate Sunday but I figure it is ready for a retune .
The gearbox oil issue seems fine ~ minor leak on main shaft, over fill I feel !
Still working on the centre stand ~ as the original configuration is useless~ with these muffs ~
The clutch is typically a very touchy adjustment issue ~
Typically I am revving out to 5K + which works fine for me..... Several tripler mates screw theirs regularly out to 8K !
I will order a new oil gauge soon ~
May trick the front end a little more ~ ( Checked but not possible as the air pumpers are blocking that aspect ~ so will consider replacing the 19" front rim with 18'.)
So will do some minor servicing before I take it out again ~ certainly won't be riding it this week as the Wet has set in and it has been and is chucking down the rain. predictions of up ward of 600 mm/ 24 inches !!!..lol
Remember I started with an engine in a box ~ five years ago ~
Last weekend ~ went out to the local classic bikers get together held each Sunday mornings at Yungaburra ~ A real hotch potch of bikes ~ old and new plus Ducati's, and a few HD. Never took a single photo~ drongo
This was the first public appearance for the new Triple ~
The Trident was highly applauded and created a LOT of interest ~ Glynn, a classics mate and moral supporter was there was with his A65 Firebird~ and added much more positive comment ~
He invited to go for short trot ~ I had to gas up and looks like I went AWOL again ..lol Missing the group ~
I turned into the first lot of bikes I came across at Tinaroo dam, and thought, "Hmm this is not the right group!!" ~ but pressed on and said Gidday ~ it turned out to be a mob from Cairns. They invited me to join their poker run .
But I then watched the original classic blokes cruise past ~ and took off after them but missed them again.. So went solo to Tolga and Atherton and back to Malanda ~ and Home ~
A good all round outing ~
Techy stuff ~
The Trident is settling in and I am getting the feel of it now and throwing it around a lot more... It started getting a little irate Sunday but I figure it is ready for a retune .
The gearbox oil issue seems fine ~ minor leak on main shaft, over fill I feel !
Still working on the centre stand ~ as the original configuration is useless~ with these muffs ~
The clutch is typically a very touchy adjustment issue ~
Typically I am revving out to 5K + which works fine for me..... Several tripler mates screw theirs regularly out to 8K !
I will order a new oil gauge soon ~
May trick the front end a little more ~ ( Checked but not possible as the air pumpers are blocking that aspect ~ so will consider replacing the 19" front rim with 18'.)
So will do some minor servicing before I take it out again ~ certainly won't be riding it this week as the Wet has set in and it has been and is chucking down the rain. predictions of up ward of 600 mm/ 24 inches !!!..lol
Remember I started with an engine in a box ~ five years ago ~
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Nice Trident, good work!
A few years ago, I set out to buy an E type . I'd heard there were seven in this shed (and there were) but I noticed this old bike under a blanket. I bought it instead of a Jag and I'm just nearing the end of its restoration.
It's only done 5800 miles from new and the only horrors on the whole rebuild was rusty piston rings and a stripped gearbox drain plug. It's originally from Georgia and I hope to have it registered in France by June.
A few years ago, I set out to buy an E type . I'd heard there were seven in this shed (and there were) but I noticed this old bike under a blanket. I bought it instead of a Jag and I'm just nearing the end of its restoration.
It's only done 5800 miles from new and the only horrors on the whole rebuild was rusty piston rings and a stripped gearbox drain plug. It's originally from Georgia and I hope to have it registered in France by June.
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Govig
Good choice~ lol
That front brake can be be adjusted to be a demon with careful alignment ~
I borrowed a T120 with conical brakes ~ and expected to find a soggy wooden thing in the front brake department ~ but instead the thing nearly threw me over the front ~ :shock:
Should say it very quietly herein ~ but I find the Trident more fun than the Commando ~
Please post some piccies when you are done ~ or even now ~
Good choice~ lol
That front brake can be be adjusted to be a demon with careful alignment ~
I borrowed a T120 with conical brakes ~ and expected to find a soggy wooden thing in the front brake department ~ but instead the thing nearly threw me over the front ~ :shock:
Should say it very quietly herein ~ but I find the Trident more fun than the Commando ~
Please post some piccies when you are done ~ or even now ~
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Hi Stuart. Yep, comical hubs get a lot of undeserved criticism. I've also got a late A65FS with the same brake and you can squeel the front tyre at 70. Try doing that with a standard Trident disc!
As to triples being more fun than Commandos, well let's just say they're different and both have plus and minus sides to their characters.
Here's where we're up to
As to triples being more fun than Commandos, well let's just say they're different and both have plus and minus sides to their characters.
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Wowwwh!! Dude ~ How did you get those cases SO immaculate ?
AND that workshop is excellent ~ Your tool box alone, by comparison to my workshop would shock you !! ~ :shock:
As for conical brakes... I had a OIF BSA A65 L and the brake was ~ well ~ Terrible.. (Ms M - my other side ~ reckons I should be down the same road with such things as the tool boxes ~ :evil: )
BUT that was some time ago and I was more than a little nieve to these issues at that time .. :roll: :lol: :lol:
AND that workshop is excellent ~ Your tool box alone, by comparison to my workshop would shock you !! ~ :shock:
As for conical brakes... I had a OIF BSA A65 L and the brake was ~ well ~ Terrible.. (Ms M - my other side ~ reckons I should be down the same road with such things as the tool boxes ~ :evil: )
BUT that was some time ago and I was more than a little nieve to these issues at that time .. :roll: :lol: :lol: