Swingarm questions

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Needle bearings are strong enough. The parts are hardened. Any modern monoshock rear uses them at all linkage pivots, suspending ALL the weight. Down side is no side thrust ability, additional side bush required. Tapered rollers are best, can be pre-loaded to remove ALL slop and live happilly ever after. Hardley Ableson had them WAAAAAAY back. Japs copied them. Not a practical retrofit for the Commando.
 
mike996 said:
"I'm pretty sure your Ducati 996 had needle bearings on the swingarm pivot also. Did it ever give any trouble?"

No, it never was a problem as far as I know...then again, I never took it apart! I just wonder if needles/spindle will actually live as long as bushings/spindle. I can see that needles might be more tolerant of no lube than bushings so maybe that's the big advantage... less actual maint required for what is considered the normal use/warranty period. Or maybe not... It SEEMS to me - again, I'm just thinking about it, I don't actually KNOW - that a regularly lubricated bushing/spindle would outlive/maintain a tighter clearance than a needle/spindle. But an ignored needle/spindle would outlive an ignored bushing/spindle.

Also a difference from a manufacturing standpoint is that hardened shafts with bushings hardly ever wear the hardened shaft whereas needle bearing needles being hard are more prone to wear the hardened shaft.
 
Obvious some makes get away with needle bearings, even though rocking motion is worse thing for them, Norton spindle may have the hardest surface of anything else in a Commando so try it, others have and no bad reports I know of.
 
concours said:
Needle bearings are strong enough. The parts are hardened. Any modern monoshock rear uses them at all linkage pivots, suspending ALL the weight. Down side is no side thrust ability, additional side bush required. Tapered rollers are best, can be pre-loaded to remove ALL slop and live happilly ever after. Hardley Ableson had them WAAAAAAY back. Japs copied them. Not a practical retrofit for the Commando.

Since it's on a Norton, would this reqiure the use of Superblend swingarm bearings? :lol:
 
Hi, just to put my pennyworth in . Oilite bushes are designed to be soaked in light machine oil for 24 hours before fitting, which soaks oil into the porous structure. Grease kills them, as it solidifies in the pores. They then no longer lubricate. If you want to grease the bushes, then make some out of Alluminium Bronze, scroll internally, drill and tap a grease nipple in the centre of each bush area and use Waterproof Outboard motor grease. To retain as intended, replace all the O-rings with new ( life is 7 years), and fill the whole space with Universal Farm Oil, after fittting new pre-oiled bushes. This has anti-corrosion additives in it. Needle rollers Brinnell over time unless the shaft rotates, it is a well known phenomena, I have seen it on many car suspensions over the years. The rollers grind to dust, and the shaft has roller notches in them. I worked in the Aircraft Industry for years, what works flying, works on Nortons. ie. Regular timed maintenance regardless of mileage. Nortons were meant to be fully serviced at no more than 3000 mile intervals, as were any British motorcycle of the day. I have owned them for 45 years, and know what clapped out machinery they were made on. Happy riding, Paul
 
nothing wrong with the standard bushing setup, preferably with sintered bronze bushings. needle roller bearings are definitely not the go in this application.keep the oil in and the water out and it should last a long time as long as its been properly set up in the first place with a hardchromed spindle.
 
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