Spark Plug Wire Woes

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Treacherous ground, my friend.

What wires are you using on your bike? <trying to redirect and not have Jerry ban us both :p )
 
Recommendations for spark plugs and wire types that might play nice with the TriSpark? I'm currently using BP7ES.
The 8.5mm MSD Super Conductor wire is basically the same as Taylor Made like Matt uses or did use and a whole lot of other brands. It works with TriSpark.

I don't use a big wrench plugs on any vehicles I own, so didn't give the plug, but it is a Denso Iridium IK16TT 4701.

I don't expect members here to go off script like I do. I'm just mentioning parts that do work. I found out what works after using some parts that did not work well at all after a little over a year with TriSpark ignition. I thought it was the ignition, but it was the coil and wires.
 
Why does a Trispark ei require special coil and HT leads? Im running Trispark EI on my Velocette single, with the Trispark coil but standard 7mm copper core HT leads from Green SP in UK. Works just fine.
 
Where did you get that information from?
The way I asked the question, which should have said something like "Does TriSpark recommend a specific spark plug wire?" Sometimes manufacturers will. Like does it need resistor wire/caps or if they say to stay away from carbon wires. This dips its toes into the same kind of puddle as "What oil to use?" :p
 
A Tri-Spark generally needs either resistor caps or plugs and preferably copper HT/spark wires. If it is a Commando with 6V coils then they will work or a 12V dual coil can be used.

 
The way I asked the question, which should have said something like "Does TriSpark recommend a specific spark plug wire?" Sometimes manufacturers will. Like does it need resistor wire/caps or if they say to stay away from carbon wires. This dips its toes into the same kind of puddle as "What oil to use?" :p
Yes I picked up there was concern for the leads to be good for Trispark....that sounded odd to me.
 
The way I asked the question, which should have said something like "Does TriSpark recommend a specific spark plug wire?" Sometimes manufacturers will. Like does it need resistor wire/caps or if they say to stay away from carbon wires. This dips its toes into the same kind of puddle as "What oil to use?" :p
TriSpark recommends what they sell.

Kinda thinking it wouldn't matter how you worded the question. Detours are inevitable.

Suppressor wire like Taylormade, MSD, or whatever doesn't generate a lot of EMI and is usually very good with EI. This website would probably steer most away from using it. Stainless core wire and a cheap dual tower 12V coil was problematic for me using TriSpark, so I copied what cNw sells, because Matt knows what the heck he is doing. I definitely didn't ask what to use here because most threads are eventually injected with the "what oil to use" virus. 🤣

Fortunately, you guyz have L.A.B. to help keep things on track. 👍
 
Why does a Trispark ei require special coil and HT leads? Im running Trispark EI on my Velocette single, with the Trispark coil but standard 7mm copper core HT leads from Green SP in UK. Works just fine.
Where did you see a requirement for a special coil and leads for Tri-Spark?

They sell coils and leads but there is no requirement to use them on any bike I know. A single requires a 12v coil of 3-5 ohms (3.6-4.0 ideal), twin two 6v in series 1.8-2.2 ohms (Some original Lucas coils measure 1.6 ohms and they work fine but are outside the current Tri-Spark spec, older manuals had it as 1.5-3.0, I will ask about this. Tri-Spark coils 6v coils are 1.8 ohms) or a single dual lead 12v coil (3.0-5.0 ohms (3.6-4.0 ideal), and a triple three 12v coils, each 3-5 ohms (3.6 ideal-4.0) Original coils work and the standard Lucas-looking Tri-Spark coils are made the same way with a little difference in windings which allows a higher output. Coils only actually supply enough voltage for the current to jump the gap. Higher output is really only used in high compression engines, plug gap too large, carbs way to rich or lean, and higher RPMs than should not be used on a stock Norton. BTW, .028" is too large even though Norton specified it as max - Lucas never specified larger than .025" that I'm aware of and .025" should be considered the max unless you have higher output coils. From memory, Triumph specifies .025" and BSA singles .020" - .025" and I don't remember about BSA twins.

IMHO, a motorcycle should never use resistance wire - too much vibration for carbon core wires. Resistance caps or resistance plugs should be used for Tri-Spark. Tri-Spark sells these but there is no requirement to buy from Tri-Spark that I'm aware of.

The wires AN sells along with resistance plugs is fine.

Whenever possible I use original wires as long as both ends are solid, they can be cleaned up and at not cracked, and they have zero resistance. With standard coils they give the best clearance to the rocker nuts.

In general, not using resistance caps or plugs will work but any nearby devices may have interference and depending on how your wiring it routed it is possible for the electrical noise to bother the EI. For instance, I once ran the Tri-Spark wires and Don Pender oil pressure wire in the same sheath up the frame and then the oil pressure wire went to then red warning light with an LED. The LED flashed with the engine firing. Then I ran the wire away from the Tri-Spark wires, and it still flashed but just barely. Then I put in resistor plugs and the flashing stopped. The bike ran fine throughout. A customer complained that his hands free phone and and especially phone navigation did not work well on his bike. He had switched from a Boyer Digital to Tri-Spark to fix it. I installed resistor plugs and the problem was gone. Of course, following instructions to start with could have saved him time and money.

I'm am a Tri-Spark dealer and do Tri-Spark tech support and warranty work, generally in the US, so I'm interested in statements about Tri-Spark. If true I verify and don't deny, if false I try to set the record straight.
 
Trispark sell two versions of the classic ignition.
the "standard" version uses a coil between 3 and 5 Ohm
the "short dwell" version uses a coil between 0.7 and 1.5 ohm
 
Trispark sell two versions of the classic ignition.
the "standard" version uses a coil between 3 and 5 Ohm
the "short dwell" version uses a coil between 0.7 and 1.5 ohm
That is a Tri-0007, not a Tri-0005 or Tri-0006. Is called a "Classic SD", not a "Classic Twin". The point, other than costing a LOT is that it uses the more modern lower resistance coils. It does not require their coil, Drag Specialties has a wide-range of dual-file coils and more importantly the Tri-Spark coils come from Wassell:
  • Lucas part number L356100, WW19381
  • Primary resistance under 1 ohm
They would cost someone in the US about $70 delivered from me (out of stock right now) and about $100 delivered from Tri-Spark.

If people in US start wanting Tri-0007, Tri-Spark will let me know as they are trying to sell to the US through dealers due to customs headaches. I don't currently stock the Tri-0007 but I have lots of Tri-0006 that I bought before tariffs kicked in so they are WAY less expensive than you can buy them elsewhere, including Tri-Spark. I also have lots of the MOSFET regulators (VR-0030) that I bought pre-tariff.
 
IMHO, a motorcycle should never use resistance wire - too much vibration for carbon core wires. Resistance caps or resistance plugs should be used for Tri-Spark. Tri-Spark sells these but there is no requirement to buy from Tri-Spark that I'm aware of.
And I bought the wires too soon. Oh, well. We'll see how long they last.
 
And I bought the wires too soon. Oh, well. We'll see how long they last.
Don't worry about it. If the wires are anything like the Taylormade or MSD plug wires vibration won't effect them at all unless the coil connection vibrates out. That would be the connector not being tight enough in the coil though not the wire.

Good high performance (noise) suppressor spark plug wire has a fine copper alloy winding with a conductive graphite coating over the winding. The inner core is kevlar stranded. It will not crack and fall apart from vibration. People that have never used the high quality suppressor plug wires wouldn't be aware of the construction of the plug wires.
 
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Where did you see a requirement for a special coil and leads for Tri-Spark?

They sell coils and leads but there is no requirement to use them on any bike I know. A single requires a 12v coil of 3-5 ohms (3.6-4.0 ideal), twin two 6v in series 1.8-2.2 ohms (Some original Lucas coils measure 1.6 ohms and they work fine but are outside the current Tri-Spark spec, older manuals had it as 1.5-3.0, I will ask about this. Tri-Spark coils 6v coils are 1.8 ohms) or a single dual lead 12v coil (3.0-5.0 ohms (3.6-4.0 ideal), and a triple three 12v coils, each 3-5 ohms (3.6 ideal-4.0) Original coils work and the standard Lucas-looking Tri-Spark coils are made the same way with a little difference in windings which allows a higher output. Coils only actually supply enough voltage for the current to jump the gap. Higher output is really only used in high compression engines, plug gap too large, carbs way to rich or lean, and higher RPMs than should not be used on a stock Norton. BTW, .028" is too large even though Norton specified it as max - Lucas never specified larger than .025" that I'm aware of and .025" should be considered the max unless you have higher output coils. From memory, Triumph specifies .025" and BSA singles .020" - .025" and I don't remember about BSA twins.

IMHO, a motorcycle should never use resistance wire - too much vibration for carbon core wires. Resistance caps or resistance plugs should be used for Tri-Spark. Tri-Spark sells these but there is no requirement to buy from Tri-Spark that I'm aware of.

The wires AN sells along with resistance plugs is fine.

Whenever possible I use original wires as long as both ends are solid, they can be cleaned up and at not cracked, and they have zero resistance. With standard coils they give the best clearance to the rocker nuts.

In general, not using resistance caps or plugs will work but any nearby devices may have interference and depending on how your wiring it routed it is possible for the electrical noise to bother the EI. For instance, I once ran the Tri-Spark wires and Don Pender oil pressure wire in the same sheath up the frame and then the oil pressure wire went to then red warning light with an LED. The LED flashed with the engine firing. Then I ran the wire away from the Tri-Spark wires, and it still flashed but just barely. Then I put in resistor plugs and the flashing stopped. The bike ran fine throughout. A customer complained that his hands free phone and and especially phone navigation did not work well on his bike. He had switched from a Boyer Digital to Tri-Spark to fix it. I installed resistor plugs and the problem was gone. Of course, following instructions to start with could have saved him time and money.

I'm am a Tri-Spark dealer and do Tri-Spark tech support and warranty work, generally in the US, so I'm interested in statements about Tri-Spark. If true I verify and don't deny, if false I try to set the record straight.
As mentioned earlier, swooshdave wanted HT leads that were good for trispark, which prompted my question. I fully agree no special leads are required by trispark.
 
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