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Thinking to request a fresh rotor and stator in my parts list to the shop. Rotor outer face has some notches where it was bashing the timing scale hammer-in screw heads. A rotor should not be subjected to machining forces like that. If the stator was getting rubbed as rotor/sprocket wobbled outward, it too could be close to death. Is there a specific rotor/stator combo I must use on this '74 850 or will any stator (two or three wire) work with a standard rotor? I have the TriSpark three-phase Reg/Rec connected to stock two wire stator.
 
Tornado said:
Thinking to request a fresh rotor and stator in my parts list to the shop. Rotor outer face has some notches where it was bashing the timing scale hammer-in screw heads. A rotor should not be subjected to machining forces like that. If the stator was getting rubbed as rotor/sprocket wobbled outward, it too could be close to death. Is there a specific rotor/stator combo I must use on this '74 850 or will any stator (two or three wire) work with a standard rotor? I have the TriSpark three-phase Reg/Rec connected to stock two wire stator.
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With the Tri-Spark MOSFET regulator, any of the available 2- or 3-wire stators will work, and a standard rotor works with any of the stators as well. If you have the standard electrical needs then any of the stators will work but any with a higher capacity than the original will simply have the excess wattage wasted. That said, if you do a lot of low rpm riding with all lights on, get a 3-phase.
 
Tornado said:
Thinking to request a fresh rotor and stator in my parts list to the shop. Rotor outer face has some notches where it was bashing the timing scale hammer-in screw heads. A rotor should not be subjected to machining forces like that. If the stator was getting rubbed as rotor/sprocket wobbled outward, it too could be close to death. Is there a specific rotor/stator combo I must use on this '74 850 or will any stator (two or three wire) work with a standard rotor? I have the TriSpark three-phase Reg/Rec connected to stock two wire stator.
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Request any of the components that even have a hint of damage from their ( pick one - error , oversight , screw up , boo - boo )
Request is being polite - I don’t know if that is the word I would
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Just be careful you don’t create a whole new list of issues by swapping out the rotor / stator. Many new ones run too tight of a tolerance twixt rotor and stator. The last few I’ve used I’ve had the rotor machined down before being happy with the gap.
 
Fast Eddie said:
Just be careful you don’t create a whole new list of issues by swapping out the rotor / stator. Many new ones run too tight of a tolerance twixt rotor and stator. The last few I’ve used I’ve had the rotor machined down before being happy with the gap.
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Were they Lucas or some other?
 
Fast Eddie said:
Just be careful you don’t create a whole new list of issues by swapping out the rotor / stator. Many new ones run too tight of a tolerance twixt rotor and stator. The last few I’ve used I’ve had the rotor machined down before being happy with the gap.
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I read your posts and increased the clearance on my Lucas boxed rotor and stator which was around 0.009" out of the boxes.
That kit came from Rex's Speedshop in the UK. (Rotor / Stator / three phase PODtronics)
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TMS in Nottingham do both Lucas and the 'UK made stators.
I would assume (L.A.B ?) the Lucas boxed parts are Wassell and perhaps the UK made parts are the old Lucas (Something like the L.A.P embossed indicators being Lucas of sorts but they did not have the Lucas name any more)
 
Fast Eddie said:
I am confused as to the branding and ownership these days, so wouldn’t actually know !
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Wassell owns several of the old names, including part of Lucas (classic motorcycle, I think). For a time, the Lucas stuff was just aftermarket repackaged. All current Lucas I've tried are quality including the rotors. IN fact, some things like headlight shells are superior to the originals IMHO. Before Lucas rotors were available, I used Sparx and I did have some troubles with them.
 
Hit and miss quality as far as I am concerned and not like the original parts especially the switches.
I elected to replace the ignition switch in my Moto Guzzi with a new genuine Lucas item ($75 iirc) , on assembly the barrel would not lock into place as the security pin hole was around 1 mm out of alignment.
The retailer was most in indignant until it was shown to them in person and soon changed their tune.

The replacement was still similar cheesy plastic quality but will do but last 50 years I think not.
The days of true quality are long gone.

If a shop toting themselves competent in a marque did not have the tools to do the job professionally and standing on brake pedals or using clutch holding tools to crank on the rotor nut for me count as unprofessional I would rather bodge it myself and for free.
 
marshg246 said:
Wassell owns several of the old names
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They have rented the names from the Trademark owners under the terms of a Licencing Agreement.

Their use of Jones may be the exception as the Trademark may have lapsed.
 
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Time Warp said:
Hit and miss quality as far as I am concerned and not like the original parts especially the switches.
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Wassell sells two versions of that switch to dealers. The one that does not work - hopefully they've quit now with my complaints and having to refund me. And, a "Genuine Lucas" one that is better than original.
 
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kommando said:
They have rented the names from the Trademark owners under the terms of a Licencing Agreement.

Their use of Jones may be the exception as the Trademark may have lapsed.
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OK, maybe "owns" is too strong a word. They now own the right to manufacture and sell under some of the classic names (Lucas, Girling, Hepolite).
 
marshg246 said:
OK, maybe "owns" is too strong a word. They now own the right to manufacture and sell under some of the classic names (Lucas, Girling, Hepolite).
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Just for my understanding here, when you say ‘genuine Lucas’ you are referring to Wassell sourced Lucas branded parts ?

The last stator I got was Lucas branded (or the box was), it had been forced into a box that was slightly too small and that, along with the fact that the ‘poting’ for the wire protruded slightly, meant that the wire was bent over hard and tight. Tight enough in fact to split the insulation and expose the copper core.
The retailer swapped it for me.
The replacement was the same.
After photos and emails and requesting them to check carefully, the third one was fine.
 
Fast Eddie said:
Just for my understanding here, when you say ‘genuine Lucas’ you are referring to Wassell sourced Lucas branded parts ?

The last stator I got was Lucas branded (or the box was), it had been forced into a box that was slightly too small and that, along with the fact that the ‘poting’ for the wire protruded slightly, meant that the wire was bent over hard and tight. Tight enough in fact to split the insulation and expose the copper core.
The retailer swapped it for me.
The replacement was the same.
After photos and emails and requesting them to check carefully, the third one was fine.
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Do you remember if the box was green or red? The current red boxes have bubble wrap around the stator and the box is still has about 1/2" of head space. I don't know the details, but I think the other Lucas uses green and made Wassell stop, hence the switch to red which seem to all be a little oversized. My only fault with the current Lucas stators is the sleeving is not molded to the wire - that's good in that the cable is much more flexible, but bad in that it's bigger around so it can be hard to get started through the grommet.
 
Green box is Wassell (from 2014)

Wassell Limited

www.totalbikebits.com www.totalbikebits.com
"In 2014, Wassell acquired the licence for the Lucas brand from Lucas Industries Limited, for Classic Motorcycle parts. In conjunction with Lucas, an extensive product development programme for Classic Motorcycle parts was initiated, to once again, establish Lucas as a market leader within the industry. Further information is available at www.lucasclassicmotorcycle.com"
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Red box is Wassell (from 2019).
"In 2019, Wassell acquired the extended licence for Lucas Classic products, and Girling products worldwide, for Classic motorcycles. The Lucas Classic programme launched in 2019, and included the Lucas Classic Car, Lucas Classic Landrover, and Lucas Classic Motorcycle divisions."
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Fast Eddie said:
Just for my understanding here, when you say ‘genuine Lucas’ you are referring to Wassell sourced Lucas branded parts ?
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"Genuine Lucas" when referring to motorcycle parts means Wassell. Not sure who it means when talking about car parts.

Here's more confusion: https://www.lucasclassic.com/ This site was around before Wassell got involved.

Also, Lucas Industries exists but I don't know if it is the original.
 
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