Rowley's 400 and the Magic Tube , hijacked version .

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needing said:
3. Failed to recognise the functions of the pilot jet circuit through to the main jet circuit on metering fuel to meet changing airflow requirements.

Perhaps you can give us the genius's walkthrough tour of exactly how the pilot jet operates then, if there is no airflow.
We wait with baited breathe. Don't hold back, chapter and verse will be fine.

EDIT.
Drat, musta clicked edit, not quote.
Back to how it was.
 
Re: Rowley's 400 and the Magic Tube .

Nasa
The problem with the "Equal Transit" theory is that it attempts to provide us with the velocity based on a non-physical assumption as discussed above
 
Re: Rowley's 400 and the Magic Tube .

Perhaps you can give us the genius's walkthrough tour of exactly how the pilot jet operates then, if there is no airflow.
We wait with baited breathe. Don't hold back, chapter and verse will be fine.

We also expect to see some discussion of which side of the carb slide the main jet and the pilot jet are,
and the implications for why that may be.
Chance to redeem yourself...
 
Re: Rowley's 400 and the Magic Tube .

Rohan said:
needing said:
3. Failed to recognise the functions of the pilot jet circuit through to the main jet circuit on metering fuel to meet changing airflow requirements.

Perhaps you can give us the genius's walkthrough tour of exactly how the pilot jet operates then, if there is no airflow.
We wait with baited breathe. Don't hold back, chapter and verse will be fine.

EDIT.
Drat, musta clicked edit, not quote.
Back to how it was.
Dear Rohan.
Forget chapter and verse: this is gold bound gospel!
The pin hole on the manifold side IS the pilot circuit at work!
It is SO small because the manifold vacuum is SO big because the throttle slide is SO closed.
Ta.
Edit: Would you care to know how the pilot circuit works when the throttle slide is SO 1.5 mm open?
 
Re: Rowley's 400 and the Magic Tube .

Some watchers may still be bamboozled by the lack of detail.
The pinhole is pinhole sized so it can't flood the engine with fuel,
only the idle circuit gets fuel from that tiny hole, in VERY limited quantities.
 
Re: Rowley's 400 and the Magic Tube .

Rohan said:
Some watchers may still be bamboozled by the lack of detail.
The pinhole is pinhole sized so it can't flood the engine with fuel,
only the idle circuit gets fuel from that tiny hole, in VERY limited quantities.
Now I know you're just being silly.
Goodbye.
 
Re: Rowley's 400 and the Magic Tube .

relax we are all partially correct in various flow regimes. I got the gist of the NASA bulletion when it was news and implies shape of wing is more for streamlinging in zone of speed need more than a lift factor. Alas Bernoulii venturii effect does not explain or apply to inverted flight either. It does play a big part in carbs and down force in racers >>> Once above some threshold of speed in narrows and over openings.

Rowley's 400 and the Magic  Tube , hijacked version .

I am fascinated by wing in ground effect so know one can also compress enough air flow under something to lift off surface for nil traction but less drag.

Peel lost power at each change till almost unriddable by time I got to 04 INOA, single to dual carbs, small port lower CR to larger higer CR Combat head/gasket and semi open megaphone fell off for open header 2-1 obnoxious noise maker that could not take enough throttle to cross mowed grass w/o stalling reminishant of the steady state 850 but still just good enough once over 2000 to flow with other timid traffic. Same semi modified Amal pair on Trixe with Combat head, thick gasket no base plate and standard peashooters is plenty spunky off idle to tail steer off pavement and kind of pisses me off with 19T it wants to pull hardest at 90, which is hard to resist. I only know what I felt which each componet change, not caliming to understand why the ups and downs of response in such similar 750s.

On point of this subject the loss of the semi open mega was the worst disappointment. I installed a turnable washer in Ohio for return home as some HDs do, ugh, did not do anything but slighty reduced the obnoxious pops loudness so just left it edge on till removed. Black caps could also stiffle flow through carbs.

But another interesting thing that might apply here happened, A vendor sold me 2 Amal race needles I packed away til Wes said his were worn and stumbling so we put them in his before leaving camp and got to first gas stop 50 miles with him saying he hated them as too dam responsive to hold curise easy and terrible milegage so I gave him Peels regular needles, Peel got the race profile and they did improve the response enough did not have to baby throttle and clutch to get going and surprised both me and moder biker at a small town light with cargo helping pulled a 30* wheelie across intersection unintended but nursed it once up by adding throttle. These needles are in 72Trixie now with the few other quick richness features so can only cow boy so much before spun out of control.

If we had enough electricty maybe could use this flow assistor w/o moving parts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrost ... ccelerator

There is another principle in flight and flow that seems only Peel can enjoy employing -> powered ballistics.
 
Re: Rowley's 400 and the Magic Tube .

needing said:
This theory also does not explain how airplanes can fly upside-down which happens often at air shows and in air-to-air combat.

Equal or near equal chord wings have been around for ages.
As hobot said someplace, the angle of attack comes into it too.

http://www.decodedscience.com/can-airpl ... down/25167

It used to be said once that helicopters couldn't fly upside down.
I've seen it at an airshow, so what used to be impossible is now (almost) routine.

P.S. There is footage of one of the very first Boeing commercial jets doing a barrel roll on a test flight. 707. Press on board. Smooth as silk.
Apparently, the chief of Boeing saw the footage, said to the chief test pilot "I know it can do that, you know that it can do it, if I ever see you do that again, your fired".

But we diverge. Muchly...
 
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Hi hobot.
I won't quote your last post except to say I recall the ground-effect cars, and much closer to home i.e. Norton Commandos, I redirect your attention to John Britten et al V1000 and the use of airflow through the bike.
Ta.
 
Re: Rowley's 400 and the Magic Tube .

Rohan said:
P.S. There is footage of one of the very first Boeing commercial jets doing a barrel roll on a test flight. 707. Press on board. Smooth as silk.


press on board :shock: :?:

i was surprised one day to find out there are planes our there with no typical airfoil profile used on the elevators, basically a slab
 
Re: Rowley's 400 and the Magic Tube .

Amazing ..

In less then 10 h , this thread is completely hijacked .


I think I will start all over .
 
Re: Rowley's 400 and the Magic Tube .

You were away too long, no new posts to concentrate on....

Need to have it all figured out and prepared, presented as a fait accompli, and THEN post it ?
Like politicans do, with important stuff - can't have discussion, thats too random a process....

We covered a lot of ground along the way though...
 
Re: Rowley's 400 and the Magic Tube .

I get a clickable little video, 707 doing a barrel roll, and pilot chatting about it.

We still diverge muchly.
Mr Bernoulli sure knew his stuff...
 
Re: Rowley's 400 and the magic spray tube .

84ok said:
Rohan said:
ludwig said:
I suppose many of you have red Mike Duckworth’s book on Norton Commandos .

For me , the most remarkable passage in that book is on P 76 .

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Rowley recalled that when testing an 850 with US silencing ,


Can someone elaborate on what is 'US silencing' ?


the black cappers 75


if my memory serves correctly sometime in the 1970 there came a E.U. law where bikes and cars had to be ridden /drove past a noise meter at about 40m.p.h in top gear to check the engine noise. To get past this Norton fitted magical silencers with caps and other things, also the gearbox was giver a higher ratio to bring the engine revs down.
 
Re: Rowley's 400 and the magic spray tube .

84ok said:
Rohan said:
Can someone elaborate on what is 'US silencing' ?

the black cappers 75

That seems doubtful, as black cap silencers had already been fitted to the 850 Mk1A and 2A models sold elsewhere for more a year before they became the 'standard' for '75 in the US, although we know some Mk2A models were sold in the US, the vast majority were Mk2-with peashooters?
 
Re: Rowley's 400 and the Magic Tube .

hobot said:
Btw air plane wings do not depend Bernoulli low pressure flow only angle of attack

https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/wrong1.html

needing said:
Congratulations Dear Rohan.
You have simutaniously:
1. Failed to comprehend the NASA link you posted - it says "Wrong"! and hobot is correct!

Normally I would not bother to respond to this foolishness but seeing how this thread is trashed:

Please read the article again; not just the pretty little picture and header on the first page. There is more than one page to this article. If you care to understand, take the time to understand what the article is presenting.
 
Re: Rowley's 400 and the Magic Tube .

needing said:
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You have simutaniously:
1. Failed to comprehend the NASA link you posted - it says "Wrong"! and hobot is correct!
2. Do not know a herring from a pearl,
3. Failed to recognise the functions of the pilot jet circuit through to the main jet circuit on metering fuel to meet changing airflow requirements.
Ta.

It seems to say that all popular theories of lift are wrong, Bernoulli and Newton were both right and the real theory is so complicated that NASA can't describe it to us.
 
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