Rowley's 400 and the Magic Tube , hijacked version .

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Did you LOOK at the video ??
It showed a jet plane doing a full barrel roll, after takeoff.

The pic I linked to showed the pic the copilot took,
with THE ENGINES ON TOP OF THE WINGS.
Only way that can be is upside down.

Would the Company Pres have reprimanded him if he HADN'T done a barrel roll ???
Would Tex the pilot have mentioned he did it to show it was safe....

Draw your own conclusions.
 
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More restrictive exhaust changes are known to richen a/f but i still do not see how a richer feeding spray tube could help a bogging over rich condition. Commandos are crazy making complex confusers.
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I'm confused by you, hobot. Do you contend that the bog experienced with straight tubes was caused by a lean or a rich mix? I was under the impression most here with an opinion, about the actual cause, you included, thought it was a lean condition. If I'm correct in thinking this, why do you keep bringing up the question of a notched tube enriching an already rich mix?
 
One of my patients from Fla. was a VietNam pilot that said he was on that spiral barrel roll flight and also a far N radar station that reported the U2 spy plane was shot down durring Nixion era. I have been in WWII trainer and fighers that one could snap stick over but pilots chest was close ot CoG pivot so did not sling blood out of head just the high of spinning around your heart.

Rowley's 400 and the Magic Tube , hijacked version .

Antonov An-72 (NATO reporting name Coaler) is a Soviet transport STOL aircraft, developed by Antonov. It was designed as a STOL transport and intended as a replacement for the Antonov An-26, but variants have found success as commercial freighters.
 
I'm confused by you, hobot. Do you contend that the bog experienced with straight tubes was caused by a lean or a rich mix? I was under the impression most here with an opinion, about the actual cause, you included, thought it was a lean condition. If I'm correct in thinking this, why do you keep bringing up the question of a notched tube enriching an already rich mix?
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My glance overs of posts and flak I got imply consensus was sudden ongoing over richness. If consensus is now too lingering leanness then I agree and a richer spray tube makes perfect sense. I think this 850 long bog was d/t restrive end caps hindering initial carb air flow to even draw enough fuel over top of a flat tube on slowish rpm top gear to barely continue to run let alone accelerate & aggravated by pilot ridiculously long d/t under orders or in a mean mood. I vote WOT ongoing lean solved by notch letting enough fuel spill out by pure pressure change,( not Venturi Bernoulii sucked out, which would operate later as acceleration rpm kicked in) for effective combustion. Tune of restrictive exhaust for cruise is not same as tune features for some WOT spunk getting there. i thot all this would of been sorted out in short polite order on the prime/proper thread w/o me confusing it. Ugh.

Ever think of retiring to Belize and carry folks around to retreats...
Rowley's 400 and the Magic Tube , hijacked version .

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funny, there's a vid link in this thread, where tex himself sez a test engineer took the pix, and that wording and info is also already in this thread, at least twice, in 2 posts by 2 diff posters,

1st you claimed the "onboard press took the pix" then after it was clearly pointed out verbally by tex in the vid that a "test engineer"
took the pix, you now say a copilot did,

perhaps you should stick to nortons,

and btw, do you do the same thing when speaking on nortons?

Rohan said:
Did you LOOK at the video ??
It showed a jet plane doing a full barrel roll, after takeoff.

The pic I linked to showed the pic the copilot took,
with THE ENGINES ON TOP OF THE WINGS.
Only way that can be is upside down.

Would the Company Pres have reprimanded him if he HADN'T done a barrel roll ???
Would Tex the pilot have mentioned he did it to show it was safe....

Draw your own conclusions.
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http://www.airlinereporter.com/2011/08/ ... rrel-roll/
"this photo was taken by co-pilot Jim Gannett."
I'm afraid I have to rely on what was written, I wasn't there, and wasn't even born yet....

If you are our 'aviation expert' on the forum here, can we get a better one please ?
This event has been world famous for decades, and only now you are catching up ?
You only seem good at rivet counting, not the main story...
(Which was that (some) passenger jets CAN fly upside down, after all)

One of those articles pointed out that the pilot kept mum for decades over this,
so any early docos on Boeing history had to guess ? at some of the events.
And from the various video(s) around, it seems there is more of the story to tell yet.
That plane with press in particular, since there is an in-cabin video of it, and the drinks on the table not even sloshing.
And hobots mention of someone who was on it.

As our 'expert', we waz hoping you could give us the full story on all this.
Nope, just rivet counting and rivet counting.....

Now, those gamers, they were some serious aviation rivet counters, accurate to the max.
Complete command of the history too - they mentioned props coming off Spits at speed, and indeed they do.
Someone lived to tell the tale...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spit ... EN_409.jpg

We diverge, and hijack, muchly. Only to correct a few correctors.
 
How is it Owen that you are STILL trying to deny what is part of aviation history,
and has been known about for 60 years. !!!

Its the 60th anniversay, yesterday ?, of 2 barrel rolls, IN FRONT OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.
There is a flyover to celebrate. Yesterday ? Today ?

That rather trumps someone telling porkies about it, to cover their ass back then.
Did you READ the articles, that Boeing preferred to cover it up.

That is downright funny.
From our self-appointed Amal expert no less, too.
If your Amal commentary is as 'expert', there is no hope....
 
I did not know of the public story till this thread nor if the tale told me is same one but was told that only about 3-4 people on board knew what was happening the two pilots at control and two other pilots observing. Took care to make a perfect coordinated one G spiraling roll that did not disturb the drinks of some company or FAA representatives on board too. The U2 shoot down was reported immediately to higher up to past up the line but somewhere news got delayed a day or so d/t Nixion and Russia tensions just then. Depending on where one is positioned in aircraft a barrel roll may be very noticed w/o feeling any sling but in out spots would black out pressed against something w/o having to hold on. I have found a Combat with 160 lb pilot pivots a barrel roll about the belt buckle level so does not tend to sling off ya till tires impact after passing over head, sideways in this case but can pass over inline of travel too w/o sling off till the end.
 
The history of Boeing, and the history of the 707 has been all over the history channel and previous for decades,
not exactly a new story - the 1st flight of the 707 being 60 years ago about this weekend.
Not many aviation enthusiasts wouldn't know this story ?

Barnstorming pilots were upside down in their 1920s era.
Just make sure the fuel and oiling systems can operate upside-down, or may come to a sticky end...

Bernoulli did know what he was talking about.
 
http://www.707sim.com/texjohnston.html
The Famous Barell Roll, Pilot Tex Johnston, Co-Pilot Jim Gannett and the above photo was taken by Dix Loesch from the observer seat
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http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-new ... ashington/
There was one dramatic photo, taken by Bel Whitehead, the test engineer on the flight, as he knelt by a passenger cabin window and snapped a picture of the plane inverted over Seattle.
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http://thestreettimes.com/60-years-ago- ... ashington/
There was one spectacular photograph, shot by Bel Whitehead, the test engineer on the flight, as he snapped a photograph of the airplane inverted over Seattle and knelt by a passenger cabin window.Johnston had just told him and Jim Gannett, the copilot, of the stunt once they were airborne.
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i grew up a couple miles from Miami Intl Airport so got to see advances from WWII into jet age and saw-heard newest up close and some times personal like Delta Darts dipping wings over us bicyclers ~!00-150 feet over head of city street then pitch up hit after burner straight out of sight then soon after sonic boom hit. Bernoulii sucking-lift certainly plays a part in one G maneuvers but is too weak an effect for stunt capable aircraft or super sonic so plain big ole surface areas that are angled by smaller control surfaces gets the job done. Got looped and rolled in soar plane over west Texas and about upside down in chopper by dust crop pilot changing-trading direction and attitude for speed at once similar to WWII fighter pitching over to chase Zeros or strafe ships firing back at em. One G roll is boring but the turns that press your blood into toes is addictive.

Btw hope I comprehend Bernoulii venturi principles do-s and dont-s for Peels oneinarow exhaust eductor partially based on cut-notched spray tube easier-sooner draw in low-ish air speed like idle so not to pump exhaust into cases.
 
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