Podtronics and Atlas question

I was out in the garage and found my spare lucas rotor from a BSA... popped out the one in the Atlas and was VERY surprised that it is a different size. The BSA one is slightly larger. I always thought that they were all the same diameter. I think I'm done for the day....
 
Johnnymac said:
I was out in the garage and found my spare lucas rotor from a BSA... popped out the one in the Atlas and was VERY surprised that it is a different size. The BSA one is slightly larger. I always thought that they were all the same diameter. I think I'm done for the day....

I would have bet they were the same size also.

I think your rotor is fine. I think your regulator is a little "irregular". The voltage measurements should confirm it.
Have a beer tonight, and hit it over the weekend.

Slick
 
texasSlick said:
Johnnymac said:
I was out in the garage and found my spare lucas rotor from a BSA... popped out the one in the Atlas and was VERY surprised that it is a different size. The BSA one is slightly larger. I always thought that they were all the same diameter. I think I'm done for the day....

I would have bet they were the same size also.

I think your rotor is fine. I think your regulator is a little "irregular". The voltage measurements should confirm it.
Have a beer tonight, and hit it over the weekend.

Slick

Thanks Slick. I did disconnect the alternator from the system and only checked the output from the 3 (2) wires. After 3K RPM, the AC voltage went down as the revs went up. The magnets on the rotor are also not nearly as strong as the other slightly larger BSA Lucas rotor. Also, this rotor looks beat to hell. There is a hole on the rear side of it.... not sure that's supposed to be there. I'm not used to seeing the backside of a rotor so it's anyone's guess.

Podtronics and Atlas question

Podtronics and Atlas question

Podtronics and Atlas question
 
Johnny Mac wrote:

. Thanks Slick. I did disconnect the alternator from the system and only checked the output from the 3 (2) wires. After 3K RPM, the AC voltage went down as the revs went up. The magnets on the rotor are also not nearly as strong as the other slightly larger BSA Lucas rotor. Also, this rotor looks beat to hell. There is a hole on the rear side of it.... not sure that's supposed to be there. I'm not used to seeing the backside of a rotor so it's anyone's guess.

That IS a beat to hell rotor! The magnets are strong enough if the DC voltage at the battery attains 14 V at 3K rpm or less. Checking the DC volts will verify that the rotor and stator are up to par. The hole may be a crude attempt at balancing the rotor.

A perfect regulator would simply rectify the AC from the stator and otherwise do nothing whenever the rms (root mean square) voltage is less than 14 DC (note: 14 is typical, actual may be +\- 0.2 V). Then, as rpm rises, the regulator should begin to momentarily short the AC input to prevent the DC from going above 14. As the rpm further rises, the regulator should progressively increase the shorting (to compensate for the stator tending to increase voltage as rpm increases) to maintain 14 V.

In other words, as rpm increases, the DC voltage at the battery should steadily increase until 14 V, then remain steady at 14 as rpm continues to increase. I suspect your regulator is not transitioning from the "do nothing" phase, to the "shorting" phase, and you will not see this pattern. The DC volts vs rpm will/should confirm this hypothesis.

Slick
 
@JohnnyMac

More thoughts on your charging problem:

Duh! You do not have a battery! I have been telling you to measure voltage at battery terminals. I hope you still have the wire where the battery used to be. Before making any voltage measurements, try the following:

Insert a battery into your circuit. Borrow the bat from your Cdo. It is not necessary to mount the battery for this test ... just set it on the floor and wire (16 G minimum) it to the old bat terminal wire, or to the Podtronic black wire (I assume you still have pos earth). Run up the engine and see if your problem is solved. If so, then try the next step if you still want to run with no battery.

Borrow the blue capacitor from your Cdo, and wire it (observe polarity) in place of the battery. If problem still solved, you know what you have to do. I have one of those blue caps if you need an extra.

If these steps resolve the problem, the fault is in the regulator, or perhaps not a fault, but simply that the regulator has a harder time regulating without some filter in the circuit which a battery or capacitor provides.

Eager to hear the results,

Slick
 
Something that just could make AC voltage fall at higher rpm is worn insulation between a stator coil and the steel laminations. The coils move with vibration and contact the plates.

If what you have is the three wire stator with exposed coils, they are notoriously crap and usually fail at some time.
 
Triton Thrasher said:
Something that just could make AC voltage fall at higher rpm is worn insulation between a stator coil and the steel laminations. The coils move with vibration and contact the plates.

If what you have is the three wire stator with exposed coils, they are notoriously crap and usually fail at some time.

Agree! Good point Triton.

@JohnnyMac

If you are thinking about turning down that BSA rotor to fit, DONT! The manner in which the magnets are restrained in the body could be compromised. The risk of the damage to the stator and primary chain cases is not worth the price of a new Norton rotor.

Slick
 
Thank you guys for all the advice! It's about 100 degrees in my garage at the moment so no playing today. A friend of mine has a spare stator that he said I can try out. Am I correct in assuming that the later stators will fit on an atlas? When it cools down I will give it all a try.
 
Johnnymac said:
A friend of mine has a spare stator that he said I can try out. Am I correct in assuming that the later stators will fit on an atlas? When it cools down I will give it all a try.

I am running a 2 wire stator from an early Cdo. Perfect fit. Connect the Atlas GB and GY wires together.

good luck with it.

Slick
 
texasSlick said:
Johnnymac said:
A friend of mine has a spare stator that he said I can try out. Am I correct in assuming that the later stators will fit on an atlas? When it cools down I will give it all a try.

I am running a 2 wire stator from an early Cdo. Perfect fit. Connect the Atlas GB and GY wires together.

good luck with it.

Slick

The spare 2 wire 12V stator from my friend ( I traded him for a 1.75 liter of good bourbon) and BSA rotor work perfectly in there. Lights are bright at idle and don't cut out at higher revs. Even the horn works at idle now with no battery. I'm very pleased.

Podtronics and Atlas question
 
Uuuhhh
What kind of good bourbon can be found in 1.75 Ltr increments?
 
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