Loose kickstart bush

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Apr 15, 2004
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The steel bushing is not supposed to just fall out of the inner cover is it? Am I correct in assuming it's supposed to be a nice tight fit? And that it's the soft alloy cover that's worn out, not the hard steel bush? And that loctite would probably not last very long?

Looks like I need to replace the inner cover :cry: I do have another one that I think is ok though. I wish I'd noticed this before fitting the new bearing :x

If there is no perceptible play in the bushing, I would use loctite shaft and bearing mount. It is not unusual for the bushing to be a loose fit. I have used loctite on a couple of these and have had no problems. YMMV.
Ok, I'll give that a try. But which compound should I buy? Around here, Loctite brand products are not available. Permatex seems to have copied their products or bought them out, I'm not sure.

Anyway, in the old days I was always told that Red Loctite was the thing to use for this sort of application. I have some Permatex "Threadlocker Red", but the info seems to suggest it's only intended for threaded fasteners. However, they also offer "bearing mount" compound, and "sleeve retainer" compound. The sleeve retainer stuff sounds like a good choice for this:


I've seen it for sale locally, too. Should I go buy some, or is the Threadlocker Red good enough? Or should I hold out for genuine Loctite brand? It looks like the company is still in business, but for some reason nobody sells their products around here.

I think that a "sleeve retainer" sounds to be what you're looking for as you can glue it in fairly permanently.

Both Loctite and Permatex products are available in Europe. Permatex is OK.

An alternative would be copper plating the O/D or otherwise just turning up a new bush to fit.
I've had excellent results from Loctite 609 Retaining Compound. However, I'm sure there is a comparable Permatex product available in your area. And as "Pops" suggested, check to see what they have at a bearing supply house.
Jason, still getting over that mark three thing aye? I am thinking Debby and I are about the same age so be nice and drop the pops. I thought I would have got you to at least post a picture of the Yellow thing on that thread in self defense or did you just get the bags and the big flat package rail put on? How much are bottles bringing down there?
Actually, at 53, I'm probably older than most on this forum. So, perhaps I should refer to you as young-fella. :wink:

I would have taken a picture of old yeller, but I couldn't figure out how to remove the blue plastic milk crate from the rear fender. You can, of course, see what it looked like before the milk crate in the Norton photo section of this forum.

I don't pick up bottles anymore; I've stepped up to aluminum, as it weighs less and when squashed, takes up less space in the milk crate than bottles.

Actually, I would like to post a pic from time to time, but I've forgotten how to do it; it seems you need to first post to some sort of photo web site - do you have any pointers?
norbsa48503 said:
Jason, still getting over that mark three thing aye? I am thinking Debby and I are about the same age so be nice and drop the pops.

You guys :lol:

Yup, I hit the big 5-0 this year so I'm officially old :shock:

Good idea about checking with a bearing house. We do have one here in town, and I've bought bearings from them. That would be a good place to try.

Jason Curtiss said:
Actually, I would like to post a pic from time to time, but I've forgotten how to do it; it seems you need to first post to some sort of photo web site - do you have any pointers?

You can get an account with smugmug or photobucket, upload the photos there, then copy the href and paste it in here with an Img tag. For example:

Loose kickstart bush

That's what my 850 project bike currently looks like. Yes, I had the cradle modified so the gearbox will drop right in without having to take the engine back out.

I won't be the big 53 till April, so yes, "we all float down here" from"IT". Now that picture is in good taste but what's up with the rear rail? Is that bike getting the really big package rack? And Jason you can't be crushing those cans around here cause than the machines can't read the bar codes for the deposit. This is a BSA I finished last winter for a friend it's a hit around these parts I have many more to do now.
Loose kickstart bush
It's just the normal rear loop, Greg. I do have a rear carrier but it's on the 750 right now. Actually, what I like to do is just throw a set of leather panniers over the saddle. Very convenient, and they look good on the bike too.

The beezer looks lovely. I certainly wouldn't mind having one of those gracing my garage, but I'm maxed out now.

Debby, Just teasing the lack of a fender left the loop looking like it had a special purpose and well with Jason watching and age being a factor and all just another dig about getting retired and collecting cans and bottles is all.
I have about six BSA's that will be done over the next year or so keep me in mind we can't have the non locals buying them all up.
Very nice bikes Greg and Debby.

Deb - is that a steel gas tank and, if so, where did you find it? Steel tanks are becoming scarce has hens' teeth, so you've made a rare find.

I'll see about getting on mugwump and posting a few pictures of old yeller sans milk crate.
50, 53???? I wish I remembered what 50 was like!??! I'm halfway to 58.
Debby, I have used Permatex and Loctite products pretty much interchangably. Loctite actually bought Permatex in '72, then they were bought by the German chemical firm Henkel in '96. Permatex was spun of to a group of investors in '99 and then sold to Illinois Tool Works in '04 while Henkel retained Loctite. Meanwhile Permatex maintained a product line suspiciously like the Loctite line. That's highly unusual in the chemical world, but the German companies are known for making unofficial "deals" that the FTC would frown on. For instance human vitamins are almost exclusively made by Swiss giant Hoffman-LaRoche, while all animal feed vitamins are made by Germany's BASF. I suspect something similar goes on here. Permatex has regions of near exclusivity while Loctite dominates others.

The 850 is looking good, is that a '73 or just a '73 patterned seat? Post more pictures as it progresses.

Greg, nice looking BSA. Do you work on those to help you appreciate the Nortons? (just kidding!). By the way, I have NOS Craven rack up on the mezzanine for when I get old enough to mount a milk crate! Got to be prepared!
Ron - it's a reproduction seat with the '73 basketweave pattern. I like that pattern and the bike came with a '73 850 title although the motor is a '74 and the chassis was a collection of 750 bits.

Jason - yes, it's steel 8) I found it on ebay, which seems to be about the only source for steel tanks. Getting a Norton owner to part with a steel tank is pretty much an impossible task! This one came with good paint and clean bare metal inside, so it was a good find. Agreed about the scarcity of steel tanks although now those Pakistan tanks are available.

I could call this bike the Anti-Cafe. I bought it off ebay as an unfinished cafe conversion, and I'm putting it back to standard configuration - the opposite of what so many people try to do these days. Dare to be different! :lol:

BTW, I'm glad to read about the bottle and can collecting tips. I've foolishly squandered my retirement savings on vintage motorcycles and I've been wondering how to fund my retirement :wink:

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Ok this is the aluminum can hauler without the milk crate.
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