Kickstart Issues

Dave,
I would definitely check to see if the sump is full due to wet sumping.Not a hard task and will kick over a lot easier.
Mike

Tornado said:

I never use choke, just a carb tickle both sides to get fuel level high in the carbs...only on a cold starts though. Typically a first kick won't fire as it needs to draw the charge into cylinders, second is the best chance to fire. If no joy after five or so tries, maybe another tickle, maybe just one side only.

Click to expand...

@Tornado How many "tickles" should I be giving it each side? Couple of pumps each?

YING said:

Dave,
I would definitely check to see if the sump is full due to wet sumping.Not a hard task and will kick over a lot easier.
Mike

Click to expand...

I have a very large wet sump bolt (without the smaller middle bolt). Does anyone know the size of wrench/ratchet for the very large bolt?

DaveinCanada said:

I have a very large wet sump bolt (without the smaller middle bolt). Does anyone know the size of wrench/ratchet for the very large bolt?

Click to expand...

Don't remember, but the small one is 9/16" and that will do the job.

DaveinCanada said:

How many "tickles" should I be giving it each side? Couple of pumps each?

Click to expand...

You need to hold each tickler button down until fuel runs out.

DaveinCanada said:

I have a very large wet sump bolt (without the smaller middle bolt). Does anyone know the size of wrench/ratchet for the very large bolt?

Click to expand...

Should be inch and a half.

DaveinCanada said:

@Tornado How many "tickles" should I be giving it each side? Couple of pumps each?

Click to expand...

Just so you understand the idle circuit,..... The bleeder on the side of the carb presses down on the float to lift the float needle out of it's seat to overfill the bowl. The reason you do this is to fill the idle circuit which is a series of connected ports just above the bowl which is cast into the body of the carb. Without the idle circuit full of fuel, the first rotation of the engine will be a very lean condition. Since lean mixtures burn faster than normal, the odds of the kickstart lever kicking back on you rather than start the engine are highly likely to occur. As you said previously, it can be like being hit in the calf with a baseball bat.... So, you bleed the air out of the bowls, by holding down the bleeder on each bowl until you see it come out of the overflow hole, before you give the first kick in hopes that you have enriched the circuit enough for the bike to start, instead of kick back on you...

After learning the above reasoning, you should be on to learning how amal carburetors work. How, and when, the different components of the carb meter the Air/Fuel ratio as you lift the throttle... You can use the search function here and find a mountain of good information and about a month's worth of steady reading....

DaveinCanada said:

@Tornado How many "tickles" should I be giving it each side? Couple of pumps each?

Click to expand...

It is not a pump device. It just pressed down on the float and thuscopens the float needle valve, letting fuel overfill the bowl. Hold tickler down until you see fuel dribbling out from the tickler base. Should take 3 to 5 seconds to see the dribbles...depending on if the bowls have already been receiving fuel from open tank petcock and no restrictions in feed line. Some folks jiggle tickler up and down. Others just hold it down steady....to each there own!