Indicator Cancel

Hope those cancellers still available once I reach point of needing both my hands on bars just to stay aboard .... seem like a great method of fixing this well known issue ..... in fact ,should be mandatory on any new bike sold with indicators, eh?
 
Craig said:
Hope those cancellers still available once I reach point of needing both my hands on bars just to stay aboard .... seem like a great method of fixing this well known issue ..... in fact ,should be mandatory on any new bike sold with indicators, eh?
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It was really funny when my young grand-daughter was learning to ride a push-bike. I told her the wheels had to be turning or the bike would not stay upright and she would have to put her foot on the ground. I put the right hand pedal up. She put her foot on it and took-off like a rocket - she has never looked back. It amazes me how slow you can ride a motorcycle without falling over - it is less than walking pace. In reality, we probably never think about keeping the bike upright because it happens so naturally.
 
That's a bit age-ist Mr Thrasher ! (Maybe George is too dopey to be in charge of a motor vehicle on a public road. Is he very old?)

Plenty of dopey young people in charge of motor vehicles on the road and dopey middle age people in charge of black Range Rovers
 
Especially those lap gazers , took a couple whiles before realizing it was a mobile on lap that had most of their limited attention , all ages guilty ! , except myself of course , can’t seem to operate the darn thing that well...
 
Signal Dynamics in the US has a self cancelling unit that is maybe a bit more advanced than the Mo-stop.
If I understand the Mo-stop instructions properly, you must choose an operating mode with the dip switches then that's your mode unless you change the dip switch setting.
20 flashes then off is probably the best choice available.
But in real riding situations it doesn't fit very often.

The Signal Dynamics unit offers four modes , all of which you control on the go via the turn indicator switch.
The switch has to be of the momentary type . I modified a standard turn switch to make it momentary.
Once you have that, it's pretty easy.
The self-cancelling flasher unit replaces the regular flasher.

1 second of push on the switch gives 7 flashes. This is perfect for switching lanes and I use this function the most. 20 flashes is too much here, it just confuses drivers who come along after your lane change has occurred. You are indicating to them that you are going to make a turn, but that's not what's happening. It's never good to confuse the other drivers, the indicators are intended to do just the opposite!

2 seconds of push gives 20 flashes. This is for making a rolling turn through a green light etc.
3 seconds of push gives 50 flashes. This is ideal when sitting at a traffic light while waiting for it to change to green.

A second momentary button switch can be added to give four way or hazard flasher function. To get that you push both switches at the same time. Push the switches again and four ways turn off.
This is a really handy feature.
A riding buddy and I lost sight of each other while riding in the fog on a busy freeway. This was at the start of a 6 day trip, not a great start!
Knowing he was somewhere behind, I pulled off on the shoulder and turned the four ways on. They are a unique arrow shape at rear. My friend said he could see them through the fog from at least half a mile away.

Glen

www.signaldynamics.com

Turn Signal Module

Manufacturing Motorcycle Safety products in the USA for nearly 25 years!
www.signaldynamics.com www.signaldynamics.com
 
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I mentioned the signal minder unit in an earlier post. I think this one would be suitable for Nortons: https://kisantech.com/sm-1.html The advantage it has over the signal dynamics unit is it works with old style switches. I should add that I have no connection to this company - just a customer.
I've used their units on a number of modern and 70s bikes and they work faultlessly. The best self cancelling system I've used was that fitted as standard on Harleys. Self cancelling was quite common on mid 80s bikes, but for some reason the feature was dropped.
 
It's got the dip switches and a single timeout choice, as in pick one of three and run with it.
I find that I use the 7 second, 20 second and 75 second timeouts on nearly every ride, particularly in town where you really need indicators. So the Signal Dynamics would still be my choice. Unfortunately it does require modifying the indicator switch.

Glen
 
bsaboss said:
I use Kisan Signalminders on my Japanese bikes. Their units are designed and made in the USA and simply replace the standard flasher unit. There's a number of different models available, but I don't know whether they operate with a positive earth bike. They are adjustable in terms of how long they operate the flashers. You cancel the turn signals in the normal way and you do need to move the turn signal switch back to the off position to reset the unit. No need to change anything other than the turn signal can.
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I have the Kisan SignalMinder on my modern Triumph. You can mod the switch mechanism to work as a momentary contact type so no reset to off is required. Also, unit can be set to various shut off delays, and can be wired to sense when brake light is on. This halts the shutoff countdown until brakes are off. Great when holding in a turn lane waiting to go.
There are also hazard flasher mode, parade mode, and turns always on as side markers (blink off for turn signaling).
I did ask Kisan support if these could work on positive earth setups and they said no.
 
Another reminder option is to put together a micro vibrator/buzzer like found in cell phones and wire it into the flasher circuit. Then fit it under the seat cover so your leg is in contact. No obnoxious sounder to embarrass you in front of friends.
 
Tornado said:
Another reminder option is to put together a micro vibrator/buzzer like found in cell phones and wire it into the flasher circuit. Then fit it under the seat cover so your leg is in contact. No obnoxious sounder to embarrass you in front of friends.
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Just saying..... spent ages playing with isolastics to get rid of the vibration.... not sure I want to add any;)
 
Im thinking the idiot switch might be the standard one that I leave on flashing left encouraging some crazy car driver to cut me off by doing a left right across my path of travel?
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Just saying..... spent ages playing with isolastics to get rid of the vibration.... not sure I want to add any;)
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Agreed
Im thinking some kind of hydraulically operated reminder pin that comes thru the seat after 20 seconds might be best....
or, more sophisticated, you have a choice of thru the seat at 7 seconds ( changing lanes) 20 seconds ( around a corner) 75 seconds ( waiting for light to change)

Glen
 
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Staytite said:
That's a bit age-ist Mr Thrasher !
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Decrepitude is a fact of life.

Plenty of dopey young people in charge of motor vehicles on the road and dopey middle age people in charge of black Range Rovers
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That doesn’t make it ok to ride around everywhere with your indicators on.

We have a responsibility to ride with due care and attention and consideration for other road users. I have a court conviction for failing to do that and I make mistakes.

Were I to find myself making the same dopey mistake over and over, however, then I’d feel like kicking myself up the arse.
 
worntorn said:
Signal Dynamics in the US has a self cancelling unit that is maybe a bit more advanced than the Mo-stop.
If I understand the Mo-stop instructions properly, you must choose an operating mode with the dip switches then that's your mode unless you change the dip switch setting.
20 flashes then off is probably the best choice available.
But in real riding situations it doesn't fit very often.

The Signal Dynamics unit offers four modes , all of which you control on the go via the turn indicator switch.
The switch has to be of the momentary type . I modified a standard turn switch to make it momentary.
Once you have that, it's pretty easy.
The self-cancelling flasher unit replaces the regular flasher.

1 second of push on the switch gives 7 flashes. This is perfect for switching lanes and I use this function the most. 20 flashes is too much here, it just confuses drivers who come along after your lane change has occurred. You are indicating to them that you are going to make a turn, but that's not what's happening. It's never good to confuse the other drivers, the indicators are intended to do just the opposite!

2 seconds of push gives 20 flashes. This is for making a rolling turn through a green light etc.
3 seconds of push gives 50 flashes. This is ideal when sitting at a traffic light while waiting for it to change to green.

A second momentary button switch can be added to give four way or hazard flasher function. To get that you push both switches at the same time. Push the switches again and four ways turn off.
This is a really handy feature.
A riding buddy and I lost sight of each other while riding in the fog on a busy freeway. This was at the start of a 6 day trip, not a great start!
Knowing he was somewhere behind, I pulled off on the shoulder and turned the four ways on. They are a unique arrow shape at rear. My friend said he could see them through the fog from at least half a mile away.

Glen

www.signaldynamics.com

Turn Signal Module

Manufacturing Motorcycle Safety products in the USA for nearly 25 years!
www.signaldynamics.com www.signaldynamics.com
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Glen. I had a quick look at the link, but didn't see anything that indicated whether it could or couldn't operate with a positive earth. Do you use it on a positive earth bike?
 
worntorn said:
...all of which you control on the go via the turn indicator switch.
The switch has to be of the momentary type . I modified a standard turn switch to make it momentary.

www.signaldynamics.com

Turn Signal Module

Manufacturing Motorcycle Safety products in the USA for nearly 25 years!
www.signaldynamics.com www.signaldynamics.com
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maybe a dumb question, but how do you modify the indicator switch to make it momentary? is it a simple matter of doing some cutting and filing on the stock switch lever, or is there something available as "plug and play?" any kind of instructions?
 
The switch set I modified was on a Vincent and it was a universal switch.
I added two small springs and filed out the left and right detents.
The springs push the switch lever back to centre on release.

I did look at the Commando MK3 switch awhile ago with the SD self canceller in mind.
As Dana Carvey's G Bush likes to say
Gottaplan
Gunnaduit

Just can't remember what the plan is!:)

Glen
 
bsaboss said:
Glen. I had a quick look at the link, but didn't see anything that indicated whether it could or couldn't operate with a positive earth. Do you use it on a positive earth bike?
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Good question

Im using it on a negative earth bike.
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Found the info.
It is negative earth only.
 
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