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kerinorton wrote;
tell the stupid b's to leave it to the professionals. the club cant afford to pay someone to look after the parts. what a dumb idea.
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No, we must let it happen, and then whoever is elected to the post (Les Ems alter ego possibly) can then go into business on the back of the spares scheme and we can all have a deja vu moment expressing horror and dissatisfaction at how this could possibly happen :wink: :wink:
 
Even if it is free, the club should have no interest in it. Buying it out would make no difference in preserving our machines for road use.
If after all these years a profitable company has not sold then something is amiss, flogging a dead horse comes to mind!! It would be very short sighted of the Executive Committee to go against the wishes of the members - it is the Norton Owners club, the clue is in the name, not the Norton scrap metal dealers club!
 
If ANY one is interested in buying ANY business...
only one word to the wise (actually two)..

DUE DILEIGENCE


and another three words:

MORE DUE DILIGENCE

and a final three:

SCORCH THE EARTH!


JD
 
The NOC, apparently desperate to buy something that the whole industry has looked at already and declined, must be equally desperate to take over the "ten year warranty" obligations on parts the NOC did not sell.

The other question is if the NOC do their members a favour by competing with and consequently killing the local Norton dealers left.
 
ZFD said:
The NOC, apparently desperate to buy something that the whole industry has looked at already and declined, must be equally desperate to take over the "ten year warranty" obligations on parts the NOC did not sell.

The other question is if the NOC do their members a favour by competing with and consequently killing the local Norton dealers left.
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Agreed - and will the NOC be offering for sale 'New Nortons'?

They could always unload all the stock on e-bay I suppose... Oh - wait a minute :roll:
 
ZFD said:
The NOC, apparently desperate to buy something that the whole industry has looked at already and declined, must be equally desperate to take over the "ten year warranty" obligations on parts the NOC did not sell.

The other question is if the NOC do their members a favour by competing with and consequently killing the local Norton dealers left.
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I doubt if the other established Norton dealers are quaking in their boots at the prospect of the NOC executive committee buying and running Emerys shop.
 
I do not know anything about Les or his biz practices, but in checking the venerable Nick Hemmings and his products, I found this excerpt from his catalog very interesting.
So there are TWO "GENUINE Norvil" parts manufacturers....

WE ARE REGULARLY ASKED BY OUR CUSTOMERS TO CLARIFY
OWNERSHIP OF THE NORVIL NAME / TRADEMARK.
I TRUST THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION EXPLAINS THIS:
THE NORVIL®
TRADEMARK
On NOVEMBER 4TH, 1994 at the Patent Office, London, the Comptroller General for
the Trade Marks Registry gave judgement that MR. LES EMERY, trading as FAIR
SPARES (Now trading as The Norvil M/C Company) has no exclusive Rights
whatsoever, to the Trade Mark “NORVIL”.
1. It was also his judgement that Andover Norton had not inherited from Norton Villiers
Performance Shop Ltd., any Rights to the NORVIL Trade Mark and thus, in effect,
had no Rights to assign to Mr. L. Emery. (Now trading as The Norvil M/C Company).
2. It was also clear that Andover Norton had never used the name NORVIL as a Trade
Mark.
3. No proof was given in evidence by “FAIR SPARES” that they had ever purchased
from Andover Norton, any so-called “Genuine” Jigs, Fixtures, Tools or drawings for
NORVIL parts.
4. MICK HEMMINGS MOTORCYCLES have been continuously manufacturing
NORVIL parts in the period 1974 to present, with the knowledge and assistance of
both ANDOVER NORTON and NORTON MOTORS LTD.
A FULL COPY OF THE COURT TRANSCRIPT WITH SUPPORTING EVIDENCE IS
AVAILABLE AT MICK HEMMINGS MOTORCYCLES FOR INSPECTION BY ANYONE
WHO WISHES.
®THE NORVIL TRADEMARK IS NOW OWNED BY BOTH COMPANIES.
MICK HEMMINGS MOTORCYCLES UK REGISTRATION NUMBER 2128557
AUSTRALIA REGISTRATION NUMBER A570627
 
Well I would put it as one Genuine and one 'Genuine', with the 'Genuine' one being the same one has the 'Commando factory spares' and who hides some of his sales behind PO Box addresses.

Who would you trust.
 
How much is he offering the NOC to take it off his hands ??

At some point it must begin to look attractive....
 
Difficult to see where the benefit to the owners club would come from ?

Most Norton Spares are now being commercially re manufactured by numerous vendors
Does Norvil have enough exclusive product lines to make this viable ?

I would also assume the Norvil inventory would be valued at current replacement cost value
which will make a huge impact on the resources of the club in terms of cash and logistics
a business of Norvil size requires 24/7 management you can not just shut the garage door down and return
when you feel fit

if the owners club spares scheme is to expand personally I would rather it to have focus on parts which are currently not available
slow organic growth is the way forward
 
The search for someone as suitably arrogant to run it would be the major challenge I guess..
 
kiwi said:
Difficult to see where the benefit to the owners club would come from ?

Most Norton Spares are now being commercially re manufactured by numerous vendors
Does Norvil have enough exclusive product lines to make this viable ?

I would also assume the Norvil inventory would be valued at current replacement cost value
which will make a huge impact on the resources of the club in terms of cash and logistics
a business of Norvil size requires 24/7 management you can not just shut the garage door down and return
when you feel fit

if the owners club spares scheme is to expand personally I would rather it to have focus on parts which are currently not available
slow organic growth is the way forward
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Agreed - the point of a 'club' should be to achieve cost savings and improved availability of obsolete spares for members, IMHO.
I'd expect the stock would only be valued (at best) at cost - otherwise there's absolutely no point.
The only 'added value' is in the brand and goodwill, so... what could possibly go wrong?
 
If I were a member of the NOC I'd be voicing my concern. Since I'm not all I can say is "Good luck boys!"
 
kiwi said:
Difficult to see where the benefit to the owners club would come from ?

If the owners club spares scheme is to expand personally I would rather it to have focus on parts which are currently not available
slow organic growth is the way forward
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Benefit to the owners club? You're suggesting that the EC has the members interests at heart - from my experience the EC are interested in keeping the NOC going so that there can be an EC.

When I was a member of the NOC reproduction of high quality unavailable parts was suggested several times but the EC did not want to pursue the matter, I think cost was mentioned as a reason why they shouldn't - strange how money is now available to buy out a complete business trading mainly in parts available elsewhere.
 
Well a member has paid the £1 for the last published accounts of Norvil and posted a summary on the message board, that seems to have brought some realism home with a bump. Why the EC could not have done that before making an announcement is beyond me as its obvious from the figures the NOC would need a big loan to buy based on the declared asset values.

Shows the EC up as a bunch of naive dreamers.
 
kommando said:
Well a member has paid the £1 for the last published accounts of Norvil and posted a summary on the message board, that seems to have brought some realism home with a bump. Why the EC could not have done that before making an announcement is beyond me as its obvious from the figures the NOC would need a big loan to buy based on the declared asset values.

Shows the EC up as a bunch of naive dreamers.
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I looked on the NOC message board & couldn't find anything about Norvil at all today. I found something a few days ago so am wondering if it's been removed! Could you post a link to it?

Ian
 
Its hidden unless you log in as its in a members only forum, News and Views and currently top topic.
 
I attenf the same shows as Fairpsares/ Norvil or whatever and indeed many moons ago supplied
them chain, I will not put into print what I here and have seen as it would be mis understood.

Heaven forbit Norton gets to the same place as Brough where I am told spares can only be
obtained from the club and you have to be a member.

My main point is the bit about members will be consulted and I presume a vote taken. The figure
of 2.5% of members would probably vote as that was the likely number attending the meeting. In
this modern age surely a world wide club would allow postal votes and even better e-votes. Very
democratic.

Many good points but rudness should be the least of the worries, a good friend sells Triumph parts
and although he is loved can be very rude, however his parts are superb and his knowledge first
class, I would doubt anybody could take over his business and for that my small concern. How do
I pass on 40 years of facts and knowledge on chain.


Andy


PS I am rude but do get arsy
 
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