Holey Artifacts

Hobot · Jul 15, 2010

All of this eliminated in next Peel and not factory so can't use on Trixie.
Yep definitely delectable detectable relief to drag out ditches or load.
Cargo didn't affect cornering much just less get up before wheelie
proneness and braking effort.

Inspiring to me but alas not drilled by me, yet.

hope ya'all having half as much Commando fun - hobot

Hobot · Jul 15, 2010

swooshdave · Jul 15, 2010

Did this really need a new thread?

britbike220 · Jul 15, 2010

The man obviously has a fascination with holes.....

MexicoMike · Jul 15, 2010

I like the Dukes of Hazard clip but other than the brake rotor, the Norton stuff looks scary to me!

Rich_j · Jul 15, 2010

A lesson in how to turn a collection of perfectly serviceable motorcycle parts into a pile of scrap,

well done.

Coco · Jul 15, 2010

The drilled gears and z plates look cool, as does the Dukes of Hazzard serving tray.

Don't drill the tray, whatever you do. Commando parts can be found but that Dukes tray is a treasure.

You guys think I'm joking but I'm serious. That tray is awesome except they forgot to put uncle Jesse on there.

I'd like to know how much weight you actually shaved off Hobot. Just curious. Care to estimate?

Thinking about it now, I could have drilled out the rear chainring on the MKIII and it would still be structurally sound. I'd bevel the edges on the holes though, which I'm sure you did.

When I raced bikes (BMX and mountain) weight savings was a costly obsession. I always told guys to lose 5 pounds of fat before spending wads of cash on ultra light, ultra expensive bicycle parts.

Hobot · Jul 15, 2010

Yes sir Coco, adding lightness costs, but its so much fun darn it.
i may have removed some Norton parts from gene pool but
I've sure help keep many vendors alive and well.

Peel full of oil and 3 gallon gas with these parts + big steel luggage
race weighted 367 lb. Oil weighs ~7.5 lb/gal, gasoline ~6 lb/gal
So minus 4 lb oil and 18 lb gas > 22 lb, then dry Peel = 345 lb.
This means Combat factory 412 lb had 67 lb removed.
I'd guessimate 12-13 lb of that by drill bits.
Factory brake rotor = ~6.5 lb, Hans Kulger sent if back at 4.5 lb.
Some mass lost by fracturing off center stand, some by expensive
Al replacements like cradle or 5 lb ligher flywheel.

I fully intend to have rather better torque per mass than
best elites, even if I can't match their hp to mass, that
don't really matter much until insane speeds attained.
I've no desire to do over 175. Just want to beat the
snot out of almost anything up to 160 or so.
Peel will have a multi-shot-repeater "Hole Shot Device".
Should only add 3 lb on stem-yoked, not the unsprung mass.

hobot

SteveMinning · Jul 15, 2010

Personally, primitive kinetic weapon
to original rocker and modern
to lightened rocker appeals as artistic.

Why am I truncating sentences?
I think it's catching.

Oh yeah Hobot (you aren't really a bot right?)
in my mind hole shot device
information would be of the interesting kind...

Dang...what's got into my writing?

ML · Jul 15, 2010

hobot said:
I personally would not put that lightened rocker arm into the motor. Load deflection will compromise valve timing and incur stress and probability of fatigue failure. These factors well known in this item when mass is reduced. Dunstall and NorVil PR limited rocker weight reduction only to the extremities and not the arms. I suggest you read Irving's Tuning For Speed section on Norton Twins.

BTW - I think your side stand will break too.

Mick

rvich · Jul 15, 2010

Helium in the tires...no, wait...hydrogen. How's that for lightening?

DogT · Jul 15, 2010

How about helium or hydrogen in the frame, and then take it to the Antipode and the weight will be negative.

Dave
69S

Jeandr · Jul 15, 2010

Ludwig's bike weighs less than 300lb and doesn't look like swiss cheese, in fact it is one of the best looking (IMOHO) Commandos I have seen.

Jean

Hobot · Jul 15, 2010

Once Ms Peel is tested out by me I'd love for a real BI racer to have
their way with her - while me and whole world watch.

Except for the cam cogs, rocker arms and the flat round adapter,
none of the above is light enough nor good enough for matured
debutant Ms Peel. Museum comic art or just trash to me now.

Rocker arms were regularly taken over 7000 occasionally to 7700
but only in 2nd in the tightest places where Peel was able to
hook up a sideways wheelie to get more zing by making every
curve a fast decreasing radius of acceleration. Ahhhhh....

Rocker arms were tested to beyond tachometer back stop,
way beyond, but have been expert examined and declared
good to 8 grand if I dare. Duntall did his even thinner so
nothing special at all with Peels. Main benefit is push rod
placement becomes a non skill no brainer fast task..

Huh, I've often thought about how much mass is in plain tire air
and topping off with hydrogen for the short runs as it leaks
so fast. He for longer events. Would install a full vacuum in
frame tubes but put oil in there instead.

BTW I have every piece shown -before and after weight recorded.
I even weighted a hole or two in the battery tray to get idea
of what each was worth. Then realized heck battery is tiny
so took a big bite out the center. I did have to tack a
stiffing rod along one edge.

Hole Shot -fork lock down- Device.
It is made from 6061 T6 aluminum and is designed to improve starts by lowering the front end and giving more traction to the rear wheel. It works by simply pressing the button in, which then pushes a plunger out that locks onto the ring mounted on the fork tube. Once the forks are compressed again, usually under braking, the plunger pops out of the ring, freeing the fork to move up and down
http://www.devolracing.com/Starting-Devices_c_86.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEg3xtUTBYQ
Last 25 sec shows the one with and w/o device, also by the
ones who bounce front at gate which would release fork device
which is supposed to hold till first brake use into first turn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG8qR_87rac

hobot

Hobot · Jul 15, 2010

Bigger holes needed bigger drilling tool. Once I figured out that
Supertrap was a heavy power stiffler I got rid of all but butt plate
and opened it up which opened up power to embarrass '04 600cc 4's.
I know I could of shot my eye out w/o goggles but lucked out again.
Oh yes deep kettle drums at idle but hot jets roar out 8-10" on blips.

Hobot · Jul 16, 2010

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willh · Jul 16, 2010

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What am I looking at here?
Is this your solution to keeping your primary clean from the "G" while using the outrigger?

Will

speirmoor · Jul 16, 2010

More holes = More drag

Hobot · Jul 16, 2010

Yes I must run sealed primary or suffer THE Grit inhaled grinding compound
on the belt edges then it unfrays really fast. Also do a fair
amount of water crossings over the axles at times.
I was still running a belt with see though holes in it from
clutch nut passing through, so nuts and bolts don't bother a
belt like microscopic Grit does.

If the holes are right angles they just let the air pass through
slicker don't ya know.

Ok here's one more of Peels holes to look though.

hobot

willh · Jul 16, 2010

hobot said:
Yes I must run sealed primary or suffer THE Grit inhaled grinding compound
on the belt edges then it unfrays really fast. Also do a fair
amount of water crossings over the axles at times.
I was still running a belt with see though holes in it from
clutch nut passing through, so nuts and bolts don't bother a
belt like microscopic Grit does.

If the holes are right angles they just let the air pass through
slicker don't ya know.

Ok here's one more of Peels holes to look though.

hobot

Now you have me intrigued, could you post a photo of the back side of the inner primary case or is "it" attached to the outrigger. I was going to use rubber for said purpose.

Thanks,
Will