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"Goof-proof" anti drain valve sequel (2012)

Discussion in 'Norton Commando Motorcycles (Classic)' started by nortonspeed, Dec 15, 2012.

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  1. JimC

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    Sorry, Glen. I would never put anything between the oil tank and oil pump after my experience wth the spring loaded valve. AMR mod, both timing cover and pump. No keys, no Gyro Gearloose gadgetry and NO worries.

    Your valve is well designed. It’s just introducing an unnecessary risk for naught, when there already is a risk free solution to wet sumping. I have no issue with you personally, just your certitude that putting a valve in the oil line is a good idea. If your comments are to drum up business for the valve, fine. Let the buyer beware!
     
  2. Fast Eddie

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    What are you on?

    He doesn’t even sell them DESPITE being asked by folk on several occasions!

    He is simply answering the OPs question by explaining what works for him.

    It’s what forums are for isn’t it?

    No one owns the ‘universal truth’ here, be they for or against.
     
  3. JimC

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    There already is one. AMR mod.
     
  4. Fast Eddie

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    Quite right.

    And then there are others.

    Why must you push such a monotheistic viewpoint?
     
  5. JimC

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    If you are addressing your comment to me, I’m on nothing mind altering. You sound as if someone pissed in your Cheerios.
     
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  6. JimC

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    You don’t get the point. One has an obvious unnecessary risk, whereas the other does not.
     
  7. Fast Eddie

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    I confess, they have, ‘twas you sir!

    Perhaps unintentionally, you’re making it sound as Glen is ‘wrong’ and AMR is ‘right’ and yes, that does get me going cos this is a forum where views and opinions are and should be shared.

    You’re both clearly right, as you both have solutions that work for you.

    And I do ‘get the point’. Which is why personally, I choose neither. I choose to put nothing twixt tank and pump, and just ‘put up with’ the wet sumping.

    I am right too, cos it works for me.
     
  8. JimC

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    No, I will never be convinced putting anything but an unobstructed hose between the oil tank and the oil pump is a good idea. Show me any dry sump engine with a valve of any sort between oil source and oil pump.
     
  9. worntorn

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    I think the AMR mod is first choice for a Norton. Unfortunately it only works for about half of the bikes it's tried on
    Someone posted the other day that they had sent off pump and cover to AMR but still had fairly quick wetsumping.
    Matt at CNW discussed this years ago plus I and others have reposted that info many times.
    Jim C either ignores it or can't remember.

    Glen
     
  10. Fast Eddie

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    Indeed, that’s your firmly held opinion.

    Actually, I agree with you.

    But I also respect the fact that there are other opinions, and other solutions and that the ultimate purpose of these discussions is to share ideas, and that often, that simply means agreeing to disagree.

    Just like oil choice, single carbs, EI, etc, etc.
     
  11. JimC

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    I seriously doubt that half the AMR mods fail. If that were true AMR would no longer be in business. If both timing cover and pump mods are done by AMR and there is still a wet sump problem, I be inclined to look at the seal between pump outlet and timing cover. Remember, in most cases , the installation is done by the owner. Some owners should never touch a wrench, which in most case to them is an adjustable open end wrench from Harbor Freight.
     
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  12. JimC

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    Opinions are fine. Unnecessary risks are not. Your analogies are not valid.
     
  13. Fast Eddie

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    To date, no one has had a failure of the ‘Glen solution’ anywhere in the world ever.

    100% success rate.

    Fact.

    It’s therefore statistically safer than flying.

    I’m quite happy to simply say that I agree to disagree at this point in the conversation Jim.
     
  14. worntorn

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    I put this valve on my 1360 Vincent engine as a solution to a problem
    Everything in the engine was new , including the oil pump. The engine would fully wet sump in 2 weeks, which was beyond annoying. For one thing, it's pretty tough to kick over that engine at the best of times but impossible with full sump.
    The oil pump is a 2 start, which is required for lube and cooling of the big engine.
    Standard Vincents use a single start pump.
    After realizing I had a problem, I asked around and found that the 2 start pumps pretty much all wet sump a fair bit.
    So no point in changing the pump for another expensive new pump that will do same.
    I looked at all of the valves available but didn't really trust any of them on that engine.
    The one that is on there solved the problem.
    I wouldn't hesitate to use one on an Norton if I had exhausted other fixes and still had a problem.
    Seems to me that a combo with the AMR mod slowing the flow and Jim Comstock's reed valve doing a quick return, most don't need my valve.
    There's the hard sell!

    Glen
     
  15. JimC

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    I see, statistical analysis is not your long suit.
     
  16. Triton Thrasher

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    Velocette:[​IMG]
     
  17. worntorn

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    So you are saying Matt and his crew at CNW can't wrench properly and that his findings with that Mod are incorrect?
     
  18. JimC

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    Obviously, a poor design. Probably accounted for most of the lower end failures of Velocettes. BTW, when did Velocette go out of business?

    Let’s go back to hand pumps with total loss oiling systems. No wet sumping there.
     
  19. worntorn

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    I believe Velo still holds the World 24 hr speed record for 500cc. No need to denigrate a fabulous old marque in trying to make your pointless point.
    We know you aren't putting one of these valves in , who cares?

    Glen
     
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  20. JimC

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    Speaking of being pointless. Evidently you care, a lot.

    If you choose to castigate me, do so in a PM.
     
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