Fullauto Tech. You heard it here first

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Hi all. Just to let you know what's happening. As some of you may be aware, this next batch of 30 heads, which is currently being machined, is about eight months overdue, due to factors outside my control. Basically, Harrop's of Melbourne who manufacture these heads for me, have entered a partnership agreement with a foundry in Adelaide, South Australia and closed their own foundry, sending all their foundry equipment across to this firm along with a couple of experienced staff. My understanding is that the rest became redundant. I was told that this batch would remain at the then current price, subject to evaluation after this batch was complete. I received an e-mail from Harrop's telling me that the foundry had done it's evaluation and the heads were going to cost 50% more, from the next batch on. Not negotiable. This was on the same day that I received an e-mail from Matt at CNW telling me that he'd done his sums, and from here on in, he was going to make my heads standard fitment on all his builds. Bittersweet.

I realise that the heads could not sustain a 50% rise in retail. My answer is that I am traveling to Melbourne next month to find another foundry willing to do the casting, who are capable and have the casting fall within my costing parameters. Harrop's will still machine and finish the castings for the same price. Which means that the raw castings actually doubled in price. Nice. If I can't find any firm suitable, then I'm off to New Zealand or the USA. I thought that I would have a bit more time to organise something, however, events have overtaken me. This batch, being eight months overdue, are all spoken for. This means that it is an absolute must that I seek out someone to do the raw castings ASAP so that a new batch can get underway to fulfill demand. Because of the lateness of the delivery, I am strapped for cash, and do not even have the money to freight the heads to my distributors! Such is the position of small operators. That is what credit cards are for. Lucky I don't use my proceeds to live on, or my house would have a number of skeletal remains. That's what wives in gainful employment are for!

Now, the price of the heads was going up for this batch anyway due to improvements, mainly CNC machining of the inlet ports, which cost a fair bit of cash for writing of the machining program and changes to the casting. This was to be ammortised over two years with this extra cost. However, due to the uncertainty of Fullauto Technology's future, I must put the price up 10% to avoid the trap of not having enough money to complete the next batch, which, basically, would be the end game for my enterprise. Not to say that my survival is assured anyway. I will be informing my distributors of this via a separate e-mail.

Also, as some of you also know, my personal Commando has just emerged from a two year restoration just four weeks ago, some four years after the crash that put the bike (and me) in a state of serious damage. This bike is an absolute distillation of forty years of accumulated Norton knowledge with all the best mods to make it a supremely usable and capable road bike. It is magical. Although this breaks my heart, it is also for sale.

I see no way around this if I wish Fullauto Technologies to move on and survive and, hopefully prosper.



Full spec to be added in another post. So, now you know the trials and tribulations of somebody trying to do something for Nortondom.
 

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You're a good one, Ken. The Fullauto heads are the easiest bolt-on performance one can do for a Norton. I know - I won a national 750 championship with one off the shelf.

I hope you find a foundry to keep you moving. Anything we can do stateside to help, you know where to find us.

-KC
 
Damn, if it's not one thing then it's another. Sorry to hear of these troubles surrounding your heads (they certainly are on my wish list for my bike one day ) best of luck to you. Not sure if this is a viable option but fellow forum member madass140 has castings made for some of his products, perhaps he could hook you up with the foundry he uses in the P.I. just a thought.....
 
Ken I feel for you sir.

Trying to make headway in industry these days ain't easy.

Its especially challenging if you really seek quality or are a low volume outfit. And you are both!

You're just being steam rollered by the big boys.

My guess is you'll do better in NZ or US. Europe is also good with 'cottage industries' even the UK. Perhaps the team at AN can advise good foundries?

However you manage to resolve this, which you will, I wish you the best of luck!
 
Sorry to hear of your problems, it is indeed hard to survive as a low volume /high quality supplier these days.
Here in the Netherlands we have a supplier for BSA Goldstar cylinder heads and other castings, that you may have heard of, under the name of ABSAF they have been in business for many years.
I believe the raw castings for their material come frome a foundry in Germany.
Maybe you can contact ABSAF, they may be able to point you into the right direction, so you can continuate your business.
I too wish you the best of luck.
 
Sad to see you have to sell your bike so that you can continue and get raped by big business, Harrops will regret getting rid of their foundry when they start getting reamed.
I'd be making sure now that I had all my investment safe before they decide that they own all the programming and moulds that you have had to invest in.
Good luck and I hope you find some one to help finance your project and move forward efficiently, pissed that they have made you have to sell your bike so you can progress with their inefficencies
 
splatt said:
Sad to see you have to sell your bike so that you can continue and get raped by big business, Harrops will regret getting rid of their foundry when they start getting reamed.
I'd be making sure now that I had all my investment safe before they decide that they own all the programming and moulds that you have had to invest in.
Good luck and I hope you find some one to help finance your project and move forward efficiently, pissed that they have made you have to sell your bike so you can progress with their inefficencies


Don't get me wrong. The blokes at Harrop's are a great bunch who bend over backwards to get the job done. They are in the same boat as me with the situation taken out of their hands. No problems with trust.
 
Hi
Also another person sad to hear of your problems, I also have had similar issues with loosing a foundry, finding another only to have the cost more than doubled.
I now use a local one man band here in NSW for casting aluminum parts (five pieces) for a job I manufacture, not sure if he has the capacity or equipment to do what want but I could have a talk to him if you are interested, his prices equaled the original foundry I used.
I think he would be capable, but not knowing the processes they have been using makes it a it difficult.
I had a small foundry myself once, but hired a retired tech teacher (as I knew nothing about foundry work),with many years practical experience, he was an ace!

Best Regards
Burgs
 
A bugger to hear, I hope a deal gets done. And be nice to make it happen without the loss of your bike - what a kick in the teeth!
 
Holmeslice said:
You're a good one, Ken. The Fullauto heads are the easiest bolt-on performance one can do for a Norton. I know - I won a national 750 championship with one off the shelf.

-KC

Absolutely Kenny....

Though I only came second on my 750 in my championship, but it was for 1300 twins! I'm in no doubt the head helped a great deal to get something that worked out of the box.

The saddest part is you having to sell your bike. Good luck with that.
 
It makes things more difficult to move suppliers to other countries...especially on something as complicated as this. Much better to be "hands on" to insure quality and keep things moving. You also will be strapped with extra shipping costs if you move it to another country.

How much of an impact is 50% on the raw casting on the final price? Maybe you should still offer the heads at an increased price until you can find a better supplier. At least then you can keep cash flow going in the mean time. I realize some people may be turned off by the higher price, but those that really want them will still buy. Customer service is still an important part of doing business.
 
I'm no longer riding on the street, but I would be willing to donate to enable Fullauto to keep his Norton and still keep on supplying his marvelous Norton heads. The Norton community can not afford to lose such products as Fullauto supplies.
 
Thanks, but I'm not after pity or handouts or anything like that. I was just explaining the situation. I'm pretty sure that a new batch of heads is on the cards, but, you never know. I'll do my best.

As for the selling of my bike, I'll survive that too. I'll wait until the financials are cleared, and I'll buy another Norton. Definitely.

Once I have some money coming in, I'll buy a set of Jim's Keihin CRs, fit them, and when I have the bike 100% sorted, I shall sell it. Not before. And it will be expensive.
 
Ken,

Considering what it took to develop the head in the first place, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that you will weather through this challenge.

Logistics certainly means that it would be beneficial to find someone to work with in AU but if you need help finding a foundry here in the US, I am sure we can locate someone willing and capable of getting it done

Thanks for all that you have done so far for the Commando community

Matt / Colorado Norton Works

www.coloradonortonworks.com
 
cNw said:
Ken,

Considering what it took to develop the head in the first place, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that you will weather through this challenge.

Logistics certainly means that it would be beneficial to find someone to work with in AU but if you need help finding a foundry here in the US, I am sure we can locate someone willing and capable of getting it done

Thanks for all that you have done so far for the Commando community

Matt / Colorado Norton Works

http://www.coloradonortonworks.com

Couldn't the folks doing your e-start do the machining for the heads?
 
swooshdave said:
cNw said:
Ken,

Considering what it took to develop the head in the first place, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that you will weather through this challenge.

Logistics certainly means that it would be beneficial to find someone to work with in AU but if you need help finding a foundry here in the US, I am sure we can locate someone willing and capable of getting it done

Thanks for all that you have done so far for the Commando community

Matt / Colorado Norton Works

http://www.coloradonortonworks.com

Couldn't the folks doing your e-start do the machining for the heads?

Swoosh,

STS do not do any castings. Not to say that John doesn't know of a good foundry. If it gets to a point where Ken needs to look outside AU and wants to look in the US for someone, then we'll push forward and find the right company to work with.

Matt / Colorado Norton Works

www.coloradonortonworks.com
 
Sorry to hear of your foundry problem. In the past I have made moulds for Vincent style heads, Vincent chopped crankcases and Norton crankcase halves for my test engines and went to the local foundries. All my homemade moulds were accepted and cast within two weeks. I think the prices were very reasonable - a Vincent head costs 150€, a set of chopped cases costs 300€. I have three foundries within 50km around my place - all of them are producing high end stuff for MB, Porsche and other german makes. My friend Mike has two DMG 5 axis milling machines - so I ordered him to machine my Norton cases etc. It would be very easy to produce your heads here as we have all the neccessary equipment within a couple miles.
 
Sorry to hear of the problems Ken, real shame buddy. The head I got from you is absolutely beautiful. Its still sitting waiting for me to get around to finishing the rebuild on the engine I seized. But I'm really glad I bought the head when I did, just in case things don't work out, would hate to think that I could have possibly missed out on one.
You Norton guys, who have not held one of Kens heads don't know what you are missing. Work of art.
GOOD LUCK BUDDY
JUG
Quorrobolong NSW
 
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