Do Commando scare you?

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I don't at all find Commandos "scary", especially compared to many other bikes of the time. They are very predicatable, and handle very well - at least in my experience. I find the limiting factor around handling is ground clearance, especially with good tires like Am26s - easy to drag footpegs but I have yet to experience any tankslappers or bad weaving, and I ride fairly briskly on bumpy, frost heaved pavement.

Compared to CB750s, Kawasaki 900s or other bikes of the era, these things handle like a dream...
 
To keep a toe hold on ground I've a factory Combat, and early
on made sure of where its hinged sweeper handling on tarmac
and Gravel hit and just resolved never go there again. Trixie
is so sweet and handy she may be last bike after I get maimed
or tired of Peels excess.

New Peel may be even lighter to operate, except to kick start,
and by far most my biking is ordinary just get there and back
in one piece not arrested to jail again. I pick and choose
my test places. But some squid contests to compare pecking order
averaged 30-45 min. I'm not welcome by a few big a city squadrons
I've dusted but so freaking dangerous to watch what they
do I've given up that part of hobby. Besides they ain't worthy
to spar with Peel so no contest at all.

Yet I face instant crisis regularly so testing the limits
now and then keeps reflexes for limits refreshed.
Could give running tales of close calls car and bikes
from people animals and raw nature.

Main message to leave ya with is to those who can't
get enough thrill from their Commando to spank higher
powered sports bike to 100+ mph, consider a full rod
set and get back to me and list. I'd love it if a soft
rubber baby buggy linked Cod with race power spanks
a solid mounted chassis bikes. Might change cycle concepts.
In other words Commando has best handling potential
to express than anything I could of imagined possible.

hobot. Peel gave new hobby, to get an initial sneering
at such obsolete bike, is to ask the scrubbed tires and knee puck
bunch - hey can I tag along till bored?
 
I will try again, my first response to this thread got "eaten" by the forum.

When I turned 18 I bought my first "proper" bike, a 1973 Norton 850 which I rode like I was young and dumb.

I knew the rear Iso's needed attention and one day going from right to left in a series of corners the "flop" tried to kill me.

The solution to MOST Commando handling "issues" seems to be MORE POWER!, a good "solution" when you are 18 but at 44, not so much.

One thing NEVER goes wrong with a Commando, it's always 3 things, if you fixed one the hunt is in for the other 2.

I have ridden a LOT of good machines but I have NEVER encountered anything that "does it all" better than a well sorted Commando, with the throttle cable pulled tight a Commando pulls like a Train and it looks, feels and sounds "right".

The sum of my Commando wisdom:
There MUST be a weaklink SOMEWHERE and if you hot-rod the engine, dial in the clutch and run good tires (Avon Super Venom TF's) the weaklink becomes the Layshaft bearing (7 G-box rebuilds in 9 years) and I figured out (WAY too late) that if you distort the G-box shell "out of square" you are throwing money away rebuilding it.
Bear in mind that I lived (literally) at the local Norton shop (the Cycle Wheel in Houston, Texas).

Back on topic, not half as scary as some of the bikes I've ridden but a Commando is NOT a "set it and forget it" motorcycle.

Unclviny
 
My favourite road is a single track with passing places, 26 miles long with virtually no straights just one corner followed by another some are 270 degrees, the only handling problem I have is the footrest rubbers touching down. Wit the tarmac only being the width of a car and bordered by deep ditches there is no room for error or changing lines. Never known weaving or had a tank slapper on the Commando just the hinge effect when the isos need adjusting.
 
Unclviny, we have similar tastes and riding experiences on Cdo's.
Hi Torque Power is a key element to save most any bike, but
Commando's especially I've found in numerous terror events.

Alas unle$$ building bike up w/o much left, if, anything really Norton,
its eats up mostly stock engines to take on 100+ hp excited
sports riders. Ugh it eats up the full race ones too quick and often too.

To me an essentially factory Commando is still a 13 sec 1/4 mile
sprinter and handling like an English 10 speed bicycle, as long
as aware not to exceed its chassis isolastic capacity.

But I've got death on my mind constantly - daily tales of people
and children being killed by random events as well as excess
speed on and off roads here. i now know I could die any time
or be left a drooling vegetable just minding my own sweet
paces. So now I've experienced the incredible handling
potential by such simple cheap rod links, I'm besides
my self to put some real power to it and see how much
faster it cornering than anything yet fielded.

I expect can't really let hair out till bought a TT tank transmission.
I don't expect to ever be able to use Peel at WOT before tire
smokes or going too fast to stand, but still more reserves
to always turn sharper and harsher with R wrist feathering.

Message to loose sleep over, is I've scared myself beyond limits
on every other bike, but going way faster and harsher on Peel
all fear dissolves into more intense >>> more more!!!

hobot
 
Steve, in language for dummies like me to understand, can you explain the function, set up, and perceived advantages of this rod linkage setup you have fashioned?
John
 
highdesert said:
Steve, in language for dummies like me to understand, can you explain the function, set up, and perceived advantages of this rod linkage setup you have fashioned?
John

Now you know you're not going to get that...

But he did have an interesting post here. Skip to the pictures and you'll see the top and back links.

the-keith1069-headsteady-t5862.html?hilit=rod%20link&start=45#p65850

Then look here for the front one.

extra-isloastics-t5567.html?hilit=rod%20link&start=15#p53315

The advantages have been expounded upon countless times: positive location of the cradle while still allowing it to move.
 
Dear respected Commandoneers, I don't think any of you know
what you are talking about as concerns the real potential of
rod linkage and supreme Commando advantage over any other
configuration. Peel is NOT LIKE other linked Commandos though at
first glance seem similar. NOPE not on your or my LIFE!

I will not cluttler this thread with what I think is going on
with rods, it deserves it own subject line. I just wanted
some sense of what limits other Commandos on street or track.
What I see is the un-tamed isolastics can't handle what the
rigid frame and solid engine mount steeds can, and these
non rubber ones, 'puter controled world class kind too,
can't even approach the lines and entry speeds=loads of a
correctly linked Commando, even on 750 non race powered steed -
until road is a bee line and smooth. Pashaw!

Peel is so fast on even THE Gravel, she transitions into
phase 3 handling physics, and rides the inside slope of
loose rutted berms beause if gets on the banked part like
Daytona turns, she will lo side right up and off into the fence.
But if I let her seek her own path she gets into a skewed
continuous low side state - tires tripping out just right
to keep her leaned and gripping to stay on power that holds
her up acellerating the whole way around. Its faster
than Pikes Peak dudes do it, poor cornered cripples. Pashaw!
The real excitement hits when having to cut power for a hazard or very
sharp turn, then front becomes functional again and
all hell can break loose as it rudders bike faster than pilot
can hardly resist. No way can my SV stand her tires
that far apart and still retain control, damhk.

But even that don't give right impression because everyone
else only has corner cripples to go by, No crossed up wide
slides for Ms Peel, No Sir that'd also put in into fences,
Peel can resist the twist up of straight steering slides
it incredible limbo state of rear low side being countered
by front hi side, choice to finish turn by lo side or
hi side is just a matter or slight wrist turn direction.
No fork fight or other balance attention from pilot!!!!
Works way better on tarmac as slide stop with power
cuts, not so on marbles and arrow heads.

1st Message is your Commando has potential to save your
bacon in extreme maneuvers or take your breath
away fearlessly exceeding all other motorcycles tolerance.
I for one ain't gonna die before having as much of it
as I can stand.

2nd message is Peel is so good that road racing is boring,
even past phase 3> two tires loose, phase 4> lo to hi side flings to
phase 5> upright straight steering burn outs, she is still
too low effort and low adrenalin that I cain't hit climax,
release so on return home I Steve McQueen out acellerating
and zig zag freaked out local deer I train to fear the sound of
tires on gravel and motorcycle rev's, pulling out of down
hill strafing run just in time as deer leap over tree falls
out of my reach, or head straight off our spring branch
4 ft high culvert into really loose water and alage lubed
gravel and head size stones and water fall ledges and
climb out on wet tires on muddy leaves obquiely up 40+*
banks.

I'm trying to talk my self out of trying to cross the tree
trunks that straddle our stream - before I cut down
the sapplings and brush and fit knobbies.

hobot - Don't think yo'all know what ya missing out on.


hobot
 
Yep Swooheroo, missing so much > I risk alienating Commando experts
with my un-believable claims, with hope to tempt some one else
besides me to soar to the highs that are better than sex
with a room full of beauties! I'm not speculating, already
lived it, just need way more power to explore further.
Bob Patton is only other one to mostly understand but
he's got old nerve injury that may prevent pressing beyond
mere body surfing a Commando around rough corners hands off
in phase 2 steering mode.

You do have to give up factory center stand and you can not longer
study racer video or use any other bike configuration to practice
lines and handling, YOU"D die and destroy the bike before
even getting to Peel phase 3 handling mode.
Only hill climber and ice spike video shows what's needed.

Couple of things to drift to sleep on that often prevents mine.
One tri rods, especially the rear gives a
Huge Inertial Massive Solid Smooth Immense Monolithic sense to
a Commando just trotting along any speed wind or road
condition carefree, ahhhhhh. Maybe better than GoldWing.
Two I don't think a half way competent newbie rider can even get
a tri-linked Commando into upset handling in the first place,
there is Always reserves to turn sharper, so no need
to brake or set up any special line through turns
but the one that gives ya the most G's to please.
It makes a Commando for sure the easiest to aim and drive,
nil pilot skill needed and no athletics or endurance conditioning.
Can't wait till a real racer follows Peels lead of the oscillating
silly dangerously limited packs. Much safer on triple links.

hobot
 
hey hobot. i know who peel is named for but is trixie married to ed NORTON of the honeymooners inquiring minds want to know
 
New Orleans DPO had scratched "Trixie" on dog tag as key fob so already
named before me after Honeynooner's comedy character.
She stays pure factory good book but for minimalist wiring and an 850 braced
swing arm with grease zerks in bushes. Luggage rack makes
her practical to carry items on errands.

I have torn loose a rubber shock mount on her saving a run off into
Gravel drainage ditch by low side high into side > side ways
climb out to road grade then up right phase 5 straight steering
on spinning rear to obliquely cross Gravel road to clear road grader
and dump truck before they pinched off my escape by logging
truck and trailer. When nothing to lose amazing what can
get away with. Wobbled some on rest of trip so kept it down.

Head lamp got chest/abdomen, helmet the rump round.
Dressed dear that froozen night, found pelvis fractured as was my neck.
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1287211 ... 1179dpeBIm
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1291346 ... 1179LsBmTG
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1287209 ... 1179sVhghA

hobot

hobot
 
"Has anyone run Commando in long hi powered sweeper into
the hinged antics?"

Yes, but after removing the PO's 18" wheels and returning to oem sizes F/W and dialing in the isos - all weirdness gone.

"Has anyone ever had a Commando tank slap on them?" Yes, see same response as above.

IMHO, any problems with Commando handling is due to wear or well-intentioned mods that are downgrades rather than upgrades.

When I got my Commando it had 120 x18 on the rear, 100 x18 on the front. The front tire was almost 2" dia less than the rear. The Isos were a mess and the handling was scary when riding agressively. After dumping the 18" wheels/tires and returning to oem 4.10x19 F/W (Avon RR), renewing the rubbers in the isos, adjusting them to .006" and new rubbers in the oem head steady, the bike handles like a locomotive on rails no matter how hard I push it.
 
mike996 said:
"Has anyone run Commando in long hi powered sweeper into
the hinged antics?"

Yes, but after removing the PO's 18" wheels and returning to oem sizes F/W and dialing in the isos - all weirdness gone.

"Has anyone ever had a Commando tank slap on them?" Yes, see same response as above.

IMHO, any problems with Commando handling is due to wear or well-intentioned mods that are downgrades rather than upgrades.

When I got my Commando it had 120 x18 on the rear, 100 x18 on the front. The front tire was almost 2" dia less than the rear. The Isos were a mess and the handling was scary when riding agressively. After dumping the 18" wheels/tires and returning to oem 4.10x19 F/W (Avon RR), renewing the rubbers in the isos, adjusting them to .006" and new rubbers in the oem head steady, the bike handles like a locomotive on rails no matter how hard I push it.

18" front is a recipe for disaster. I was given a flanged Boranni rim many years ago, had it laced up to the Commando, worst thing I've ever done to the poor old girl.
It had worrying weave at 75mph, was getting a bit scary at 80mph and it was tank slapping brown trouser time at 85. Went back to 19" front a couple of years ago.

Still got the 18" rim somewhere, along with all the other "seemed like a good idea at the time" bits I've tried over the years.
 
Mike your report of 18" front limitation strikes me to the bone.
I thought long and hard about reducing the 19" front but I do
more off tarmac risk taking than on highways, all references
and all MX dirt trial endro flat trackers all use 19" or more.

Also wondered about the cast wheels, but All of the rough
and ready bikers stick with good ole fashioned spoke and
so will Peel.

To those that favor 17" on Commandos or moderns, fine
as long as you are extra special good to hold them on fast paths.
Westley my Brit Iron buddy and I have scooters with
14-15" rims and we both know how un steady those get
when over 90 mph straight and thrown into fast leans, whowhoo.

At SLOW speeds, like I do in my yard grass or gravel drive way,
I can skip scooter over and out to slide em surprisingly easy and secure.
Si sure If you go around slow enough to feel secure on 17" or
small tires, then just stay in your delusion of how limited
and close to danger you press them to have a little fun. BEWARE.
I paid $3000 to Code to make sure I knew what I learned on THE
Gravel tires to type of bike was valid for the rest of my life.

I know what all the modern sizes and puter gizmo's do,
they just allow mild creeps up corner loads until out of control
hits too fast to control, up to that point they are a good
thing, but don't fool your self that its anything near
the potential I already knows exists within everyone
isolastic Commando on tall narrow-ish tires. Full pilot
connection blending man and machine no interfaces
needed or desired.

hobot
 
"I have 18" front and would rather go to 17" than back to 19 ""

THe frame/forks/triple tree are designed to work with a wheel/tire diameter of the oem 19" wheels/tires. Even IF a wheel of a different diameter has a tire that ends up being the same overall diameter of the oem, then the tire has to be a different ratio than original which changes the handling. I'm not saying you can't come up with a good handling bike with an other than 19" wheel and 4.10x19 tire (on the later Commandos) but you have to pay attention to what you are trying to do and the results you expect to obtain. Just putting wider wheels/tires on the bike without seriously considering all this is just going to make the bike handle worse than it did, not better. The wider tires/18" wheels on my 850 were a total disaster compared to the oem wheels/tires.
 
I agree with the poster who said that over 40 most of us slow down and become more rational. I rode several bikes way back when and the Commando was a pretty good combination, you did have to load it in a corner and apply throttle smoothly to pull out, but then mine was quite stable.
I'm not sure I would have made 60 if I had been riding some of Kawasaki's offerings back then.
 
kommando,
What a wonderful dangerous route you describe!!
That's similar to some of what I ride, no room for error, PERIOD.
The basic un-tamed isolastic Commando innately excels in such tights
and switch backs needing precise tire aim and power control. YUM!

I tested Westley's clapped out Severely loose '71 swing arm, to front
iso, 1/4" slop at either end, Yet only a mere twitch of slack take
up to stayed nailed to road, AS Long as I did not hold load input
for more than .5 sec. More than that and look out.

But even on your TT service road course - you'd be besides your self,
like me, at the added secure sense of the rump rod and helpers.
That's best conditions where rods make phase 2 steering so boring
you get invited into phase 3, rear slide to 'back into apex'
using slide to both slow vector and jerk a sharper turn right at the
edge > no fear, if you KNOW what tire will take and slide to stop.
Go at it a good bit faster yet and the slide becomes
a low side that is saved at last instant by a hi side into
new line, with more open straight than counter steering
can allow. Go at it even harsher and you can't turn forks
or toss bike fastest enough to aim by human power/speed,
so throttle can trip out bike and let off at apex leaps bike
upright into the next turn just right fully hooking up thrust.

No one believes me yet that there's an even faster smoother no let off acceleration way around. But takes lots of power reserves to pull it off.

hobot
 
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