Do Commando scare you?

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Curious if any one really ever has opportunity to ride to limits
of various bikes, Commando in particular and if any thing
encountered that scared ya to back out and note the limit
to avoid?
Accident avoidance counts but mostly I'm interested
in the full pilot controlled states that get out of hand.

Has anyone run Commando in long hi powered sweeper into
the hinged antics?

Has anyone ever had a Commando tank slap on them?
Did ya save it or loose it?

Can't blame anyone if not, as I will never again, either
on un-tamed Commandos or un-tamed sports bikes.

Do you get left behind after the very sharp chicanes
when speed reach over 90 mph?
Does it depress ya any or too worn and wise to care?

hobot
 
hobot said:
Curious if any one really ever has opportunity to ride to limits
of various bikes, Commando in particular and if any thing
encountered that scared ya to back out and note the limit
to avoid?
Accident avoidance counts but mostly I'm interested
in the full pilot controlled states that get out of hand.

Has anyone run Commando in long hi powered sweeper into
the hinged antics?

Has anyone ever had a Commando tank slap on them?
Did ya save it or loose it?

Can't blame anyone if not, as I will never again, either
on un-tamed Commandos or un-tamed sports bikes.

Do you get left behind after the very sharp chicanes
when speed reach over 90 mph?
Does it depress ya any or too worn and wise to care?

hobot
Hobot, Yes to all of the above, on the racetrack where it belongs. And I would go back for more tomorrow if I could. Jim
 
Yes, I quite often push mine to the limit.
I think this is why I get handling problems, whereas most people don't.
It weaves nicely round long bends.
 
I clearly remember backing off the throttle slightly on a high speed sweeper shortly after buying my first Commando. The weight moved to the front and we went into the dreaded Commando weave. Now, some 40 years later, I am still emotionally scared. I thought I was going to die.

I learned then and there that Commandos need to have the gas ON or steady throttle in higher speed sweepers. I am very aware of that "feature" to this day.

I also learned to lessen the rear iso clearance, gladly accepting some more foot peg vibration for more secure handling.

I have often wondered how many horrible injuries and deaths the Commando Weave caused.

I am 60 now, and while I do not ride like an old lady, I am very aware that being a member of a vintage skinny motorcycle tire club with a rubber mounted swing arm has moderation as a club requirement.

Regardless, I flat love my big British twin, love kicking it over, love the low down grunt, and love the magnificent sound of Commando pea shooters, especially on deceleration!
 
Those two big gyroscopes do a pretty good job keeping me upright, but the bike does dance around on bumpy sweepers. Loose hands on the grips and let the bike do it's job! :D
 
I had my '69 'S' up to 120 topped out on the speedo on I95 around Beltsville, MD for a quick moment early on a Sunday morning with no traffic. That was enough for me. I never had any of the weaves or tank slapping on my bike, but then mostly I drove it fairly moderate. Never had it on a track, nor do I want to. The drives from Sperryville to Luray (that's pronounced LOU-ray) was always a nice drive, but with traffic you had to be moderate, but they do have passing lanes, and once in a while there was gravel in the road. Now from all the MC accidents there, they have put rumble strips so you cannot go over about 35mph. I used to take it at around 50 no problem. But then I was young and invincible. Now I pass the Harleys in my Miata going up there with my summer tyres. At my age I am now into avoidance.

Dave
69S
 
About 10 years ago while racing at Grattan MI with AHRMA a Commando crankshaft blew up right in front of me. I saw something come out the bottom, then bounce on the track up to shoulder height as I passed the bike. That Commando scared me into buying a Norish crankshaft for my TRIUMPH the next season.

Team FASTLIKEJUDY
 
Actually, it's the relatively low handling limits that I like about the Commando. You don't need to, and aren't tempted to ride at outrageous speeds to feel like you've accomplished something by putting some corners together well. The same can't be said for most modern bikes. Jay Leno: I'd rather drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. It's all relative.
 
Ok, thanks guys, I needed some reality checks it wasn't just
me finding more power or desire on tap than Commando
capacity to handle it.

Never had a normal motorcycle till i left city in '98 for Ozarks
and shopped for a used mower to come back with a Combat
It was tough choice as used up last of money saved for move
and I'd not yet figured out where to set up new business.
Scared Confidence I call it. Changed good life to even better.

So had to go through the stages of inexperienced youthful
excesses in leaning and turning and lines and many OH MY G-D's.
I've had every possible combo of things that can upset a
Commando on carefree light riding to harsh attacking.
I recognize and shudder at each report above's close call.
I am So Very Done with all that immature learning curve. Be it
on sport moderns I got into for 5 yrs rebuilding 1st leaking
Combat into Ms Peel or any un-tamed Commando.
Racers must be world class to handle such cripples, not me.

I have seen the light and its shines on the Patton rear link
with its two helpers, in combo with the fork and other
upgrades, MINUS fork dampeners, BEWARE.
Hope to tease others into trying rear link - "rump rod".

Where un-tamed Cdo's, in accelerating slightly
decreasing sweeper can become a floppy terror,
rod link allows secure clam resistance to any upset till
the tires start to drift out, no angle or aim change just calm and
steady ya quickly get bored leaving the fat tired elite bikes behind
and can nail it more to skip rear out for vectored thrust and
saving high sides to uprightness for straight ahead acceleration
legs as many times as desired > to literally facet sweepers
into short full on sprints holding tight as ya like to paint lines
inside or outside, no need to run or slide wide.
Flabbergasting Fabulous.

To fling fat sports bikes half that hard requires great
athletics, but not on a rear linked Commando, No Sir,
get easier the harsher looser you ride it. I get worn
down just cruising on my SV650, let along a few more mph
seeking thrills that it just can't handle like a Watt's
like triplex iso-chassis control. Peel always refreshes me.

Its so good it invites ya into faster funner further phases
'steering' around with pilot ease, only effort being wrist
work on carb spring Ok fighter pilot breath control
needed on higher G spikes or sustained G's forces. But nil
to control C-do in predicable secure no surprise wonder.

There's a race track 4 hours away, want a timed comparison
as believe Peel tops vintage and modern racer corner speeds
in public glee. But going blindly over crests and around
turns is a dice toss to ever come back d/t unknown hazards,
but there's not a worry in the world of losing any control.

Oh yeah, do ya know that at some point going ever faster
around, there's transitions into phases of reversed control
actions, be it brakes forks or throttle or pilot english.
Peel does this in glee while moderns have computers
to prevent and limit their potential d/t too rigid ringing
chassis on wrong way oriented tire patches - just
can't take it like a power pulse dampened, energy
storing, tire conflict removing, articulated sling shot,
neutral handling flexy flying carpet Commando!!!

All else are dangerous corner cripples that look like a string
of marker cones slowing moving positions for more slalom fun.
I'm cautious in public not to play neck and neck games
as I may lead a pilot in over bike capacity
and moderns do run too close to limits to have real fun,
so I wait for an open or a sharper blind I disappear around
- then let Peels hair out for solitary apex orgasms *~*~*~>
then wait at next stop, letting after glow of adrenalin re-charge.
WHOOOWHOOOO.

Be restless my hot dogging friends, very very restless
on what you are missing out on.
Sell your gold and your soul, nothing will ever
pay back like the multiple road orgasms as fast
as you can stand the apexes.

Here's how Peel loves to take it, no room for knee,
leg straight back as no stily need to put a foot out.
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2419561 ... 1179VfgJHp
Do Commando scare you?


hobot
 
That would have been me. Jim [shoulda tried being on the bike]


FASTLIKEJUDY said:
About 10 years ago while racing at Grattan MI with AHRMA a Commando crankshaft blew up right in front of me. I saw something come out the bottom, then bounce on the track up to shoulder height as I passed the bike. That Commando scared me into buying a Norish crankshaft for my TRIUMPH the next season.

Team FASTLIKEJUDY
 
I don't know how old most posters are, but you have my admiration if you actually ride a Commando anywhere near its limit on the road if you are over 40. I stopped riding bikes to the limit on the road when I turned 30. having crashed out on many racetracks, even when they were not as safe as they are today, I always considered what would have happened if there had been a guardrail or another vehicle coming the other way or behind you in even a low side crash on the road.
 
`Never experienced it myself, and have learned the hard way that the bike will safely exceed my mind's limits in a turn ...and get me out of impending doom that would logically seem impossible to avoid otherwise. (But I don't make a habbit of tempting fate.)

Weave is the word used to describe a slow (0–4 Hz) oscillation between leaning left and steering right, and vice-versa. The entire bike is affected with significant changes in steering angle, lean angle (roll), and heading angle (yaw). The steering is 180° out of phase with the heading and 90° out of phase with the leaning.[7] AVI movie below shows weave.

For most bikes, depending on geometry and mass distribution, weave is unstable at low speeds, and becomes less pronounced as speed increases until it is no longer unstable. While the amplitude may decrease, the frequency actually increases with speed[/u].


Weave animination
http://www2.ee.ic.ac.uk/cap/cappp/proje ... e_0_65.avi



ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics
 
I also admire people that race Commandos in vintage racing. Takes some strength and skill to manhandle a big British twin or triple on the track. Kudos. It is so much easier to do fast times with a TD3. 220 lbs and about the same HP.
 
Doug, thanks for the video's. Thankfully you are crazy, because it lets those of us that don't ride an old bike like that get an idea of how real riding goes.............
 
comnoz said:
That would have been me. Jim [shoulda tried being on the bike]


FASTLIKEJUDY said:
About 10 years ago while racing at Grattan MI with AHRMA a Commando crankshaft blew up right in front of me. I saw something come out the bottom, then bounce on the track up to shoulder height as I passed the bike. That Commando scared me into buying a Norish crankshaft for my TRIUMPH the next season.

Team FASTLIKEJUDY

Hmmm, I think watching the crank come flying past your head would have had the same leathers-soiling effect, if not worse. :shock:
 
It didn't scare me as much when it happened as it did after I thought about it. When it blew I was shifting from second to third. The chronometric tack stayed at 8200 rpm after it let go. I thought I had hit something big on the track. The cylinder head hit the steering damper and locked the steering so I slowly vered off the track as I slowed down. When I got stopped I looked down and realized there was gasoline dribbling out of the hole in the bottom of the tank over what was left of the motor. All that was left of the crankcase was an aluminum washer around each main bearing. I calmly pushed the bike up against the fence and waited for help. That was when I started thinking about fire and got scared. Made a real mess of the front straight. Jim
 
Yes sir Doug that's the level i'm so fascinated with exceeding.
Kenny seems to out hp you but you seem to shorten the paths
and slow enough before leaning to be more aggressive through
turns than the rest. Make no mistake I'm dry mouthed
and trembly inside at the hard heart you guys have on
Norton engines and braving the zooming up curves!
i flinched and twitched as you got more secure near the end
of Daytona and took up nipping at the curbs for extra short cuts.
What a F000king Cowboy !!!

Got hard school knocks handy on bikes this decade but its not me
I'm so Flabbergasted with, its the tri-rodage isolastic Commando.
On Peel i just feel like I'm along for the ride where ever my
thought directs, no sense bike resistance nor harmonics. Uncanny.

I assume you hit isolastic limits decades ago and have a hi BF
crank in Sealey solid rig?
Does it buzz your grip for extra effort to stay on pressure coordinated?

Our sense of coordination comes from the connective tissues,
bone marrow to skin hairs. Put vibrational static on that and I know
it takes yogic skill to succeed like you racer boys for fun.
I'm 58 and won't put up with that nuance on a daily rider.
Moderns even twins all feel like buzzy appliances to me- yuk.
Peel is smoother than average Commando, maybe soothest??
though thick and thin, so soothing to grip on attacking the ground.
Peel likes a bit of air time, both off ledges and up crests
but also by hi sides in turns too severe to steer, strangely enough
she then feels like clattery cable and fabric biplane till she touches
down and disappears from pilot sensation again. Even on
The Gravel, more calm massive inertia sense rolling, than flying
off a hump a yard or three. Very comforting flying cushy carpet.

Now lets talk dirty. Why don't ya go in and out corners even faster?
Your video shows over 55' leans I think, do you ever feel the tires
letting go and back off lean or power or both? [wisely no doubt]
Well this is the states I live in on THE Gravel and practiced on tarmac
at corner school. This is the entry state into phase 3 handling.
Right at least traction instant also hides incredible Spikes
of traction, exactly what causes hi sides so hard and fast.
Opens another dimension of steering with vectored rear thrust.
Ordinary bikes aren't testing skip out throttling up in braking
zone. That's to know how much to give it at apex to break
free of front tire counter steering limits.
If you got instant hi torque response you can punch it into
a smashed down tire profile just as it rebounds into new orbit.
Above is the first of 2 more steering phases that use yaw on CoG.
Crazy to do on ordinary bikes but when Peel starts getting juicy.
Neutral to me means no lean or fork aim changes with both tires loose.
Then straight steering suddenly works the best, till it don't again.

I don't expect belief, that'll come from track E.T's.
What Peel allows is beyond what I can even approach
in my race shod SV650, can't even practice the short
cut lines of Peel, just can't do it till going in fast enough
either enter new phase or crash SPLATT. I know better now
will never attempt on rigid chassis fatso tires again or
un-tamed Commandos.
Pilot on Peel does not experience side loads only dragster
hill climber straight back into rear patch loads down through spine.

hobot - I stay restless so seeking more power not more handling
aids, except for 6 gal tank slosh and ground effects bother.
 
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