Disagreement board 2.0

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Is this more of an acceptable title in todays times?

As much as I don’t want to offend anyone, this needs to be done.

Once again, instead of hijacking legitimate threads and turning them into muddy topics that have nothing to do with the actual thread titles. I’m here to once again start a new thread.

My last thread title wasn’t a smear, it was simply a title to address questions asked by the said member. In which he was answered and then he himself ignored.

Here, we can discuss our differences. Here we can voice our opinions. All without derailing the original thread and topic.

If you or others are offended and don’t see the need, you have the option to leave or speak your mind.

This particular thread “Disagreement board 2.0” is a room where different views and perspectives can be discussed. All while keeping it civilized and respectful.
 
@Voodooo for what it's worth, I completely believe it wasn't intended as any kind of smear. This is a good suggestion - and the idea of "take it to the disagreements thread" is a good one.

So; disagreements.

Lets get this started with some of my more controversial opinions, and perhaps a good natured stir:
  • The 961 is better looking than any Norton prior. It took the historical stying cues and finally got the proprotions of them correct. Until then, they were only *almost* perfect.
  • Fuel injection is superior to carbs. Understanding this requires enough knowledge of fuel injection and carbs to understand each of their shortcomings.
  • SC ECU's are better than OMEX. Buy the diagnostic lead and you'll know why.
  • 961's is more a real Norton than some old frame from 1970 with reproduction parts bolted on it.
  • Voodooo is actually a big softie. He's actually way softer than Stephen. Seriously.
  • 961's don't need better batteries/starters or more CCA; they need less resistance to cranking.
  • Triumph T100, T120, Thruxtons or Bonnievilles are a great, mass produced, readily available, disposable bike to be turned over. For me, they aren't a keeper. I enjoy them for that.
 
Gojuu said:
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  • Fuel injection is superior to carbs. Understanding this requires enough knowledge of fuel injection and carbs to understand each of their shortcomings.
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Anyone that says otherwise it’s just silly. Take a carbureted bike above 8000 feet or ride on a super hot or super cold day

Now fuel injection with no sensors like air intake or exhaust and only a ECU program for emissions related is not better than a carburetor
 
City Garage said:
Anyone that says otherwise it’s just silly. Take a carbureted bike above 8000 feet or ride on a super hot or super cold day

Now fuel injection with no sensors like air intake or exhaust and only a ECU program for emissions related is not better than a carburetor
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Aaaah, but it is probably still better than a carburettor that has been tuned for emissions in the same context.
 
  • The 961 is better looking than any Norton prior. It took the historical stying cues and finally got the proprotions of them correct. Until then, they were only *almost* perfect.
As much as I find the 961 Commando and Dominator beautiful, I still find the Manx the best looking Norton of all.
 
Gojuu said:
@Voodooo for what it's worth, I completely believe it wasn't intended as any kind of smear. This is a good suggestion - and the idea of "take it to the disagreements thread" is a good one.

So; disagreements.

Lets get this started with some of my more controversial opinions, and perhaps a good natured stir:
  • The 961 is better looking than any Norton prior. It took the historical stying cues and finally got the proprotions of them correct. Until then, they were only *almost* perfect.
  • Fuel injection is superior to carbs. Understanding this requires enough knowledge of fuel injection and carbs to understand each of their shortcomings.
  • SC ECU's are better than OMEX. Buy the diagnostic lead and you'll know why.
  • 961's is more a real Norton than some old frame from 1970 with reproduction parts bolted on it.
  • Voodooo is actually a big softie. He's actually way softer than Stephen. Seriously.
  • 961's don't need better batteries/starters or more CCA; they need less resistance to cranking.
  • Triumph T100, T120, Thruxtons or Bonnievilles are a great, mass produced, readily available, disposable bike to be turned over. For me, they aren't a keeper. I enjoy them for that.
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OK. I'll bite:

Item 1: Totally subjective statement. Can't compare classic to Neo-classic. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Item 2: EFI only superior in functionality, Carbs are totally superior in appearance!
Item 3: I have no OMEX experience, so no opinion.
Item 4: Blasphemy sir, deserving of multiple lashes!:mad:
Item 5: Can't tell if this is true or not without a UFC matchup.
Item 6: True, look on the classic forum thread about compression release designs for the 750 Commando. Good idea.
Item 7: Shortsighted statement. These bikes can be customized nicely, Many tunes available for different setups, cams, pipes, etc.
And more importantly, TTS super charger is available for 1200cc twins. They Go, handle, and stop very nicely too!

Let the games begin...
 
If above what ya after , Kawi got the forced induction plus/etc. covered , shop there 😉
 
The Kawasaki H2R is quite a machine, but looks too much like a spaceship.
A supercharged Triumph 1200 has at least some classic appeal to go with the grunt.
 
I’m curious how people would feel if the Norton 961 was what we know of it now looks wise, but instead of it having an air cooled, push rod, parallel twin.

It being designed originally with a water cooled, over head cammed, 4 valve per cylinder, parallel twin. Just as what Triumph did.

Would you have still purchased a Norton 961-1200 if the overall looks of the Commando / Dominator still looked as we know them today?
 
Voodooo said:
I’m curious how people would feel if the Norton 961 was what we know of it now looks wise, but instead of it having an air cooled, push rod, parallel twin.

It being designed originally with a water cooled, over head cammed, 4 valve per cylinder, parallel twin. Just as what Triumph did.

Would you have still purchased a Norton 961-1200 if the overall looks of the Commando / Dominator still looked as we know them today?
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I got a 92 Yamaha TDM that pretty much turns that screw the right way... (850cc, too)
Disagreement board 2.0
 
Voodooo said:
I’m curious how people would feel if the Norton 961 was what we know of it now looks wise, but instead of it having an air cooled, push rod, parallel twin.

It being designed originally with a water cooled, over head cammed, 4 valve per cylinder, parallel twin. Just as what Triumph did.

Would you have still purchased a Norton 961-1200 if the overall looks of the Commando / Dominator still looked as we know them today?
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Hi Voodooo , Yes I would have purchased it still .
 
Voodooo said:
I’m curious how people would feel if the Norton 961 was what we know of it now looks wise, but instead of it having an air cooled, push rod, parallel twin.

It being designed originally with a water cooled, over head cammed, 4 valve per cylinder, parallel twin. Just as what Triumph did.

Would you have still purchased a Norton 961-1200 if the overall looks of the Commando / Dominator still looked as we know them today?
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F**kin' Ay!
I've said it often, Dr. Bob, just buy the Triumph 1200 lump, and slap Norton badges on the engine, done!
Norton aesthetics, with a modern motor, hot damn! Almost no engineering costs.
Spend the corporate $$ on new e-bike, and multi cylinder designs, this takes care of the twins.

www.accessnorton.com

961 is back !

Not having the necessary experienced talent in-house contributed to the problem, no doubt. However, the whole process of bringing the 961 into existence was mishandled by SG. Not paying suppliers for parts, or having an outside engineering group re-work Dreer's design to make it cheaper to...
www.accessnorton.com www.accessnorton.com
 
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