Cosentino damping cartridges

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Oh crap kickapoo joy juice fogged my reading the title so thought its was Landsdonwnes you were waiting on, so never mind, your tale on Csentino's delay in legendary so best wishes waiting or moving on.
 
You were right the first time,they are the Lansdowne dampers by john robert bould.
I did not know about the Cosentino cartridges until reading this thread,where are the pictures of those items ?
 
OK not hard to find.
Do those cartridges have a 20 mm piston ?
They have externally adjustable bleed screws for the bypass on compression and rebound ?
How is the preload adjustable,thanks.
The webpage did not say much but might have missed that.

http://www.cosentinoengineering.com/ind ... age405.htm

You would need a good set of rear dampers to match those spec units, like WP etc.
 
I believe that Kenny at NYC Norton would be happy to answer any Q's you might have concerning these dampers. Throw a set in that other C'do of yours and let us all know what ya think.
 
Glad to see the stork as delivered another parcel :) Production is speeding up a bit, having probs with" me plates" Bet theres not many know what "me plates " are?

Answers on a pst card please.
 
john robert bould said:
Glad to see the stork as delivered another parcel :) Production is speeding up a bit, having probs with" me plates" Bet theres not many know what "me plates " are?

Answers on a pst card please.
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"Plates"

Plates of meat = feet?

hobot said:
You ain't dealing with the New Norton Inc. but a real man of his word devoted to improving the breed and saving bike and pilots bad ju ju. To make a go of the scale of expanding market means volumes to process. We don't know how long the supply will continues so thank lucky starts is exists for now.
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Nicely said
 
Time Warp said:
You were right the first time,they are the Lansdowne dampers by john robert bould.
I did not know about the Cosentino cartridges until reading this thread,where are the pictures of those items ?
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I put the Cosentino Cartridges in my Commando. I believe they're Showa cartridges, designed to be retrofitted to a bike without taking the forks off, just the wheel, axle, and fender (so you can move each slider independently).

Compression adjustment is via an allen screw in the alloy top nut, and rebound adjustment via an allen in the bottom bolt, meaning you have to remove the axle to do the adjustment. Chris also sent 2 sets of springs, I believe 100lb and 110lb, a bottle of Redline fork oil and the special wrenches to install the dampers.

The Lansdowne is set up with one side adjustable for compression and the other fork for rebound, like the budget system on many modern bikes (such as my Speed Triple)

My buddy, Rich, put the Lansdowne set in his Triton. Once he has the bike fettled, we'll do a comparison. He's pretty happy with them so far.

I've got the Cosentinos and Ikons, He's got the Lansdownes and Hagons

Chris has his place in the biker commune that Kenny belongs to, Spannerland, a sort of old bike utopia
http://www.smokeandthrottle.com/2012/04/shop-stop-spannerland-nyc-norton.html
 
L.E.N. said:
Oh yeah, my wife and I both ride Blurs, Fox forks and shocks. They really are good. :)
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I've got a Heckler and a Nomad. I haven't rode much since I broke my scapula downhilling at a local ski area a couple of years ago. Need to get back to that.


BillT-- Thanks for the info.
 
I know of 200 or so folks who have my kit on board for fewer than 100.00 U.S. out riding all the time with the extra premium gas they can buy. Do what you like, you will anyway.
I love this no mods thing too it’s like they just don’t understand how it works nor do they want to. There is nothing to prevent the re-install of all the stock parts if you like the stock better but that has not been my experience. Not one of my customers has ever come back to me a said hey it isn’t better than before. When your on the bottom of the pile they pile it on.
 
Sounds like we are doing a good job, two racers have replaced Maxtons with the Lansdowne..both won their class last year..goe's without saying i was well pleased.
just finnished some racing Honda replacments for this year. plus a special set for Austen kears Laverda 500 formula . I think the norton owners may have just played the system out, I only manufacture to order.

Time to produce something else?


norbsa48503 said:
I know of 200 or so folks who have my kit on board for fewer than 100.00 U.S. out riding all the time with the extra premium gas they can buy. Do what you like, you will anyway.
I love this no mods thing too it’s like they just don’t understand how it works nor do they want to. There is nothing to prevent the re-install of all the stock parts if you like the stock better but that has not been my experience. Not one of my customers has ever come back to me a said hey it isn’t better than before. When your on the bottom of the pile they pile it on.
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norbsa48503 said:
I know of 200 or so folks who have my kit on board
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Ok, so I'll ask. Is this a third option; Cosentino's drop in cartridges, John Robert Bould's system and yours? If so, how does it operate in contrast to Cosentinos'.

I recall Randy Illg at framecrafters.net mentioning some sort of emulators for the roadholder forks; are these the same?
 
You are actually asking about hobot Roadholders Greg has refined and improved on to sell. All I can say is I've tried modern trials and MX forks in their element and sports bike forks in and out of their element and I want nothing like them on my Peel, so if these Roadholder replacements ain't able to beat their sense of road leveling holding security - to point of not even feeling fork action - so can ignore them and focus on lean and power, then ya don't know what you are missing out on. Its a bit surreal instead of avoiding the edges of pot holes or raised lips one tends, nay on purpose aim hit them at various speeds and angles trying to get something to thrill ya but just visually noticed not felt. Weird Weird Weird Wonderful. The key seems to be the progressive spring rates and the tighter clearance in damper cap so rather thin fork fluid works a treat. If only road racing I'd run AFT in them but for real life roughness off pavement, power steering fluid worked best in Peel. You can not top out or bottom out Greg's Roadholders and feel or hear anything but indefinite stop that reverses magically. This can lead to very fast fork action by pilot in chicane switch backs that can twist forks up to feel like rubber bands connecting the grips to axle so fork brace definitely needed to enjoy the full scope of Roadholders finished as designer intended, not Bean counter restricted as factory issued. Btw brake fluid and steering fluid are hydophilic so must change out now and then or risk rusting inside stanchions. Maybe Marvel Mystery oil would work and not invite rust as much. Someday must try Landowne's dual dampening innovation to see if I'm the one missing out, but must adapt em somehow to allow the full 6" nullification.

Greg I bet Norton valve springs might work but I didn't have extra's on hand at the time so lucked out a shop had them laying around.
 
Snorton74 said:
I believe that Kenny at NYC Norton would be happy to answer any Q's you might have concerning these dampers. Throw a set in that other C'do of yours and let us all know what ya think.
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I am attempting to keep the Norton experience in check but a shim stack cartridge is interesting.
Of course you could fit a set of Ohlins Road and Tracks but you would still need to address the rear end with controlled damping.
The shallow swing arm angle is going to have an effect on anti squat and weight transfer,where do you stop.
In another life I would have simply designed and machined what was needed.

Cosentino damping cartridges


At this point the 750 will get a fork rebuild with the Lansdowne inserts and a set of Ikon rear shock absorbers,of course being an Australian company Ikon do not answer (Unlike the USA / UK) even when messaged directly off their website asking where they can be purchased.
That should give a realistic return in reasonable handling and ride quality on a over 40 year old motorcycle.
 
Time Warp said:
Snorton74 said:
I believe that Kenny at NYC Norton would be happy to answer any Q's you might have concerning these dampers. Throw a set in that other C'do of yours and let us all know what ya think.
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I am attempting to keep the Norton experience in check but a shim stack cartridge is interesting.
Of course you could fit a set of Ohlins Road and Tracks but you would still need to address the rear end with controlled damping.
The shallow swing arm angle is going to have an effect on anti squat and weight transfer,where do you stop.
In another life I would have simply designed and machined what was needed.

Cosentino damping cartridges


At this point the 750 will get a fork rebuild with the Lansdowne inserts and a set of Ikon rear shock absorbers,of course being an Australian company Ikon do not answer (Unlike the USA / UK) even when messaged directly off their website asking where they can be purchased.
That should give a realistic return in reasonable handling and ride quality on a over 40 year old motorcycle.
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Maybe you should contact their California distributor! I got my Ikons in about 12 days (#7610-1653), and just the way I ordered them - chrome body, black spring.
 
Dances with Shrapnel said:
hobot said:
You are actually asking about hobot Roadholders Greg has refined and improved on to sell.
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Ahhh, I see...design by hobot. :roll: :roll:

And who is Greg? Is Greg "norbsa48503"?
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No doubt, Moto GP and WSBK teams will soon be beating a path to Hobot's door. Its simply amazing the things he's accomplished with a fifty year old design motorcycle. Makes one wonder what all those motorcycle engineers have been thinking. According to Hobot they've all been going backwards.
 
Cocaine is a hell of a drug Jim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udNHsk57f24

JimC said:
Dances with Shrapnel said:
hobot said:
You are actually asking about hobot Roadholders Greg has refined and improved on to sell.
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Ahhh, I see...design by hobot. :roll: :roll:

And who is Greg? Is Greg "norbsa48503"?
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No doubt, Moto GP and WSBK teams will soon be beating a path to Hobot's door. Its simply amazing the things he's accomplished with a with a fifty year old design motorcycle. Makes one wonder what all those motorcycle engineers have been thinking. According to Hobot they've all been going backwards.
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Snorton74 wrote:

I've got a Heckler and a Nomad. I haven't rode much since I broke my scapula downhilling at a local ski area a couple of years ago. Need to get back to that.

Sorry to hear about the broken scapula. That sounds difficult to mend well. I've also had some bicycle injuries including two broken thumbs, concussions, and a broken pelvis and the odd lot of assorted stitches and not from the same incidents. I think that bicycles are sometimes more dangerous than motorcycles for me and I don't even do "downhilling" or park riding except very seldom at North Star at Tahoe, or Snow summit at Big Bear. So far I've only had road rash or dirt rash from my motor bikes (knock on wood).
I know this is a thread on damping cartrides and related subjects. This relates because of the Notes about the Fox forks and shocks. These are good, great bicycle untis using air springs and oil damping. I saw a recent Supercross where Ryan Dungee had done very poorly in the heats and barely made it out of the LCQ into the main. He won the main and during the interview he said that they switched back to the regular forks from the new air spring models. He wasn't bad mouthing the new units but said they had a way to go with them to make them competitive. I'm sure that somethings that work well on a bicycle may not work as well under the more rigorous testing that the weight ,powe,r speed, and punishment of a moto.
 
With all the long term heckling I get both online and on road might make ya wonder if someone is missing out on something special. At least a few dozen have tested Gerg's fork kits and liked em and a few others are building tri links in Peel's style to test out too. Its real easy to test for yourselves and see who's missleading who. The isolastic Commando with some easy upgrades is an ingenious contraption and my tool of choice for best fun beyond my wildest dreams. First 6" foking was in 2003.
 
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