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northern750 said:
I will put a K&N pod filter on it, the stock airbox is not very user friendly and appears quite restrictive. The bike runs quite rich but I won't mess with the carb until I've installed the K&N, I'm hoping that will help lean it up a tiny bit.

All in all, it is great fun to ride, by far the most enjoyable streetbike I've ridden in a long time. The sound coming from those exhaust pipes under acceleration is fantastic.

Yep, the sound and feel is what most of us do it for and the stock silencers are pretty good at it.

On the K&N thing, I've grumbled about them on here before. They are handy to fit and clean but they do have a reputation for causing flat spots on Commandos and that is what I found, it didn't respond well to a big handful at 2/3 throttle.

The K&N (even the double one) does have a considerably smaller internal volume than the standard pleated paper element.

I have run black boxes, Velocity stacks, K&Ns and standard early filters and I really think that the latter is the best all round compromise.
 
Thanks for the feedback on the brakes and air box thing.

Does anyone sleeve the original front master cylinders or is it easier to find an 11mm master cylinder to fit - Most 11mm master cylinders are for off road bikes and don't have brake light provisions...?

Interesting issue about flat spot with K&N double filter...Can this be compensated for with carb setting changes? Even though that stock airbox is large, I can't help but see it as restrictive given those small rubber boots and 50% surface area drilling for air feed...I don't want to start an air filter debate but this is all very interesting to me.

As for rear brake, I adjusted the pedal downward a bit which helps but it's still a strong drum brake.

One question - the registration lists my 750 as a 72' model but the plate at the headstock shows 10/72 manufacture date...would this be considered a 72' or early 73' model?

Thanks.

Derek. 8)
 
northern750 said:
One question - the registration lists my 750 as a 72' model but the plate at the headstock shows 10/72 manufacture date...would this be considered a 72' or early 73' model?

The Norton factory (unlike BSA or Triumph etc.) didn't really appear to build "year" models as such, they just seemed to update the model range whenever it suited them!
Basically I'd say that you can only be guided by the date stamp on the plate. There were some bikes built late in '72 (if their plate date stamps to be believed?) that were built to "MkV" specification, which broadly relates to the '73 year.

From your photo, your Roadster looks to be built to standard MkIV (approximately '72 year) specifications as has black barrels and does not have the square MkV model tail lamp and black instrument housings?
 
I'd add one potential "gotcha" if you have twin Amals. It nearly creamed me when I was working at N-V Wolverhampton. Amal carbs had the slides individually lapped to the caburettor body, They were NOT interchangeable. One of our projects, on which I did a lot of the testing on my 45-mile commute, was to determine whether a single larger Amal would give better low-end performance on the 650SS.

There was some trepidation at the company that we were really going to piss off our dedicated sidecar types when the Commando was introduced as its frame was not suitable for sidecars. We really should've tested an Atlas, but the 650SS was my commuter ride and was readily available.

After the testing was finished, my boss decided to put the bike back to stock configuration, so we dug out the old twincarb set up from stores and re-installed it. I went out at lunch-time on the bike to pick up some parts from our local dealer. Weaving in and out of traffic, as is legal in England, I did a quick "squirt" to get round a slow moving car and then tucked in behind a double-decker bus. When I backed off the throttle, the power stayed on. Thankfully, the bike had magneto ignition and the kill button was right next to the throttle twist-grip. I avoided climbing up the stairs on the bus by milli-seconds. It was one of the older buses with an open rear platform where the stairs went up.

Back at the factory, after I had limped back using the kill button, we started looking into it. We found that one slide had stuck about 75% open, giving its cylinder a fair amount of power. The other one had snapped closed like it should. After a brief investigation we found that swapping the slides over between the carbs completely solved the problem. When we took the off for the project, we hadn't identified which carb body each slide was paired with, as none of us were aware of Amal's individual lapping process.

Bottom line - check the slide to body fit by dropping the slide into the body to see if it will descend under its own weight in about 2 seconds. Quicker that that isn't a big deal, as it shows that the fit is on the loose side, but slower than that can get your ass killed. On the early rides after a rebuild, you should have a "kill" button in very close proximity to your hand, just in case.

Electronic fuel injection does away with all this crap, but are there any conversions for the Commando?. I've seen a lot of threads on adapting Mikunis, a few on adapting SU's, nothing on Webers or Dell'Ortos, and a total silence on EFI, potentially the best way to get away from all the nastiness of carburettors.

I remember a comment, in the US magazine Road and Track, that "Carburator (US spelling) is a French irregular verb that means "leave well enough alone".
 
northern750 said:
Thanks for the feedback on the brakes and air box thing.

Does anyone sleeve the original front master cylinders or is it easier to find an 11mm master cylinder to fit - Most 11mm master cylinders are for off road bikes and don't have brake light provisions...?

There are a ton of threads on the master cylinder fixes.
 
frankdamp said:
Electronic fuel injection does away with all this crap, but are there any conversions for the Commando?. I've seen a lot of threads on adapting Mikunis, a few on adapting SU's, nothing on Webers or Dell'Ortos, and a total silence on EFI, potentially the best way to get away from all the nastiness of carburettors.

Mr. Comstock has FI. Rumor has it that it might make it to production one of these days.
 
Although I dearly love fuel injection there is no way to pencil it out on a Norton. It has to be a labor of love or a demonstration that you have too much money to be rational.
 
While talking with Mr. Comstock at the rally he said he has been working on it for years now. And his bike is fitted with EFI so it should be coming out in the near future, The one to ask would be Matt at Colorado Norton Works. By the way, His bike sounds GREAT and has had the EFI for quite some time. And it's true that it was not easy to adapt to the Commando, I think he wants to make sure it is sorted out first. If anyone could do it it would be him.
 
northern750 said:
Thanks for the feedback on the brakes and air box thing.

Does anyone sleeve the original front master cylinders or is it easier to find an 11mm master cylinder to fit - Most 11mm master cylinders are for off road bikes and don't have brake light provisions...?
http://www.oldbritts.com/14_061939.html

Derek, This is one source for the modification. Also try Phil Radford at FairSpares, he may know of someone too.

http://www.vintagebrake.com/

Also Vntage Brake. He has a nice chart for hydraulic ratios but he doesn't list the service :?:
 
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