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Brexit or no Brexit

Discussion in 'Access Norton Pub' started by Bernhard, Dec 13, 2018.

  1. MikeG

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    I kind of think WW2 itself had as much to do with the demise of English manufacturing as much as anything. Before the war BSA's slogan was 1 in 4 a BSA, referring to their world market share. A world market that included a British empire that spanned the globe and a built in transport network to support it. By 1945 the empire was mostly gone, the US had far surpassed British manufacturing capacity, and we had more than ample means to deliver goods worldwide. You are 100% correct however in the idea of a rethink of relations between those that produce/consume goods and those that direct that production. Who knows, BSA might be making more than scopes and air rifles today if that had happened in the 50s.
     
  2. Bernhard

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  3. Fast Eddie

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    Some of the language used in this debate sucks! And it’s used intentionally to support a point of view.

    No Deal! They all shout...

    Well currently we are only legally able to stay IN the EU until 31st Oct. After which we will leave by default. THAT deal has already been agreed.

    So, if we cannot agree new terms to leave, then we will leave with no deal.

    Unless we wish to stay longer, something which can only be achieved if we agree a deal allowing us to do so!

    Ergo, the ONLY thing that’s definite to happen, unless a deal is made, is that we will leave on 31st Oct... with no deal.

    Saying ‘we will make no deal illegal’ is nonsense. If a deal can’t be agreed then there is no deal. Deals are legislated by law... enshrined by law... not created by law!
     
  4. Madnorton

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    BSA air rifles and scopes - not seen the latest offering then? Mahindra have been busy, since they took on the Jawa and BSA trademarks.

    The war had nothing to do with the demise of the UK motorcycle industry, the thieving, greedy un-educated boardrooms saw to that, few of them are sadly still breathing. The so highly worshiped bent press test riders of the day contributed as well. Not one had the balls to tell BSA to scrap the Bantam the day it was announced - there were better two strokes on the continent and the press knew it. Must have been so cosy for them both in bed together.

    There is always a deal, it is called the WTO Regulations, even Iran has a trade deal with the rest of the world, though not a very good one for them it seems.

    Spain will be the first to come knocking at the UK's door, the salad crop they sell to the UK is worth a fortune, then French and Spanish fisherman etc. What comes to the UK comes by boat, even the immigrants, it will not make much difference if it comes across the channel or from the other side of the planet on a ship.
     
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  5. acotrel

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    I am glad the Brexit debate about neoliberalism is happening in the UK. In Australia, we are involved with China and America. The Americans want to put intercontinental ballistic missiles in Northern Australia and Trump is putting tariffs on Chinese imports into America. However the Australian economy is almost totally dependent on selling minerals to China. But we depend on America for our defence and China is an authoritarian nuclear power. We are damned if we do and damned if we don't. If any nation can solve the neoliberal problems, it is the British. What happens with Brexit will set a precedent. Australia will watch and learn.
     
  6. MikeG

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    Mahindra-I have one of their tractors. Not bad for an Indian tractor made in Korea and "Proudly Assembled in Pennsylvania" according to the sticker on it.
     
  7. Craig

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    Canada may be stuck between same rock/hard place as Australia only we a little closer to one of the rocks ....
     
  8. acotrel

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    Judging from what is happening in the Australian economy, eventually there will be a backlash. We have household debt at all-time high levels, stagnant wages growth and high energy prices. Before our manufacturers went off shore, things were better for the average guy. The top-end-of town are doing OK - almost . But even that seems to be stalling. The retail sector has slowed down because people are not buying due to lack of discretionary spending power.
    My feeling is that we do not use the Chinese and Indian manufacturers as smartly as we might That 'assembled in Pennsylvania' might be a better way to go. I was looking at the Skyteam Ace 125 motorcycle. There are better motors available than the CB125. - Perhaps a CRF250 Honda motor ?

     
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  9. Madnorton

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    The Indian manufacturing base has seen many 2nd generation Indians from the UK go and take advantage there - the quality is thus far higher than it was on some goods. The UK is also being 'robbed' of its knowledge and expertise, just look at how many Indian groups own companies in the UK, Liberty HG for example.
    The Chinese own a foundry in the west country, it is where your 'Chinese' samples come, a plant with very modern equipment so the item you see is very good and thus you place the order and then some back street low tech foundry in china them makes your parts.
     
  10. acotrel

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    How many countries have this arrangement ? Australia sells minerals and farm produce to China and in return buys most manufactured goods from there .

     

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