You’ve tried pretty hard to make everything sound like a total disaster there Voodoo
! - at least you‘re consistent.
With respect mate, there is nothing of any real consequence to a new owner on your above list of doom, less the idle issues showing on a couple of bikes. Now that is disappointing. Let’s see what the faults actually are (at the first service) and then we can discuss it in an informed way.
Maybe don’t post that list on FB Voodoo
- apart from the one guy really, suffering three faults, who is clearly not happy, the rest seem pretty damn delighted with their new bikes. Fingers crossed that continues.
TVS is obviously the source of your considerable ire. But when you list TVS above (TVS talks quality..etc ..TVS bought Norton - they should be doing better) and post things like ‘TVS is ruining Norton’ it’s not really clear what you mean. When you say TVS above you mean Norton right?
Norton has a full leadership, design and development team, a local production, quality and logistic workforce. It is Norton that are/have been talking up…quality…facilities….engineering etc, not TVS.
TVS are in the background, virtually silent from all appearances. They barely rate a mention on the Norton website. Norton are producing British bikes, using a British workforce for the British market (at present). Of course TVS are pulling significant strings you would think, or maybe they have given Norton some considerable autonomy - who knows.
I suppose then, when we are publicly criticising (when that’s justified of course), we might wanna do so in a balanced way. Cos we are only indirectly sticking the boot into our fat Indian friend with the even fatter wallet. The steel toe cap is initially landing squarely in the UK and has potential to impact on the re-launching of our favourite marque. We probably shouldn’t underestimate what influence Access Norton and the FB site may have.
Stephen
Here we are again!
Why should I be surprised by your overly optimistic views?
I get that you think Norton is the greatest bike manufacturer available on the market today.
I know that you see everything with an optimistic outlook.
But I will stand by my statement.
The 961 has been on the market for 13 years. In those years, we’ve have multiple owners who’ve either had flawlessly running bikes, or some with complete dissatisfaction, to where they sold their Norton because of the poor quality, or for personal reasons.
We also had some very smart and successful owners and shops who’ve fixed many of the known issues and problems.
Fortunately they shared those solutions with us all so we could address the known issues on our own 961.
Some have gone so far to work with Norton only to be pushed away, and then Norton later used those very ideas or solutions themselves on later manufactured bikes.
When TVS took over Norton, they talked how much this new state of the art factory cost, how important quality means, how they take testing seriously and how they inspect each product and motorcycle before leaving the factory.
As you also know, some of the members from Donington work for the Solihull Norton (TVS).
Do you not think they were aware of the known issues the 961 had all these years?
Do you really think it takes 13 years to fix such problems on a small scale of production?
TVS Norton hasn’t sold anywhere near the amount of bikes Donington sold world wide, and yet even though TVS sells only in the UK, for reasons clearly because of warranty and dealer network, they still produced some bikes with the same known issues as the Donington made bikes.
How can you possibly say that it’s not a problem?
I don’t care how they handle it at its first service. It should have never happened to begin with.
They had 3 years to fix these known issues, they said they addressed 1/3 of the bike parts.
You keep saying it’s only one or 2 new bikes.
How many brand new 961 TVS owned Commandos have made it to its new owners as of now? NOT MANY AT ALL.
IF you were the owner of a brand new 2023 TVS Norton and you had idle and primary issues that you were dealing with, you wouldn’t be happy.
If you bought a brand new 2023 Commando today, you bought it because you listened to TVS / Norton talking up all their sales pitches of factory money spent, state of the art, testing, quality control, etc.
You would of bought a new 961 now because you were worried to buying one during the Doomed Donington Days (DDD)
These new TVS Norton owners should not be having the same issues as Donington made bikes on any level. Period.
Just imagine you ordering an item you’ve been wanting for a period of time.
Waiting patiently to receive this item.
Then when you do finally receive this beloved item, it’s in some way flawed and already needs repaired or addressed.
The gut wrenching feeling of your new item takes away the excitement.
Oh wait, I forgot. You do know that feeling. Your gas cap leaks fuel.
The same one you been complaining about since you installed the new tank. Yet you don’t want to send it back because you’re not willing to remove the fuel pump and risk shipping it back to the maker. Interesting.
Kinda like you also complaining about the cost of the seat tail and other replacement parts.
Side note:
When I say TVS.
You know exactly whom I speaking of.
Long live Norton.
And at this time , I cannot even get a reponse to my parts request ! So , I just put money down on a 2022 Indian Chief Bobber with the 111 Thunderstroke motor .
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