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Well my most reluctant elf is my Painter/elf and as he is 6'4" and he may retaliate, so my best course is to HOPE he gets off his arss before i get back, but when he does he can do beautiful work as seen with my 70S and 850 but yes it is and always has been like pulling teeth- though i watched him spend 2 weeks puttin the metalflake purple on my 70S so i guess it/was is worth it.
Al
 
Well my most reluctant elf is my Painter/elf and as he is 6'4" and he may retaliate, so my best course is to HOPE he gets off his arss before i get back, but when he does he can do beautiful work as seen with my 70S and 850 but yes it is and always has been like pulling teeth- though i watched him spend 2 weeks puttin the metalflake purple on my 70S so i guess it/was is worth it.
Al
 
Well my most reluctant elf is my Painter/elf and as he is 6'4" and he may retaliate, so my best course is to HOPE he gets off his arss before i get back, but when he does he can do beautiful work as seen with my 70S and 850 but yes it is and always has been like pulling teeth- though i watched him spend 2 weeks puttin the metalflake purple on my 70S so i guess it/was is worth it.
Al
 
possm said:
Yes this was last years project-
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Mate do you have the paint formula to this colour?
Im told this is the colour my bike is supposed to be
 
I purchased a new old stock side cover from british spares and then my painter matched the paint from there, I beleive the flake was purchased from an art shop, I am not at home at the moment so i cannot ask him, remind me in a weeks Time.
Al
 
Physcedelic man . . . youll have to have sideburns , bell bottom trousers & shades rideing that . long kinky hair would help the look . too . . . :D 8) :p
 
As previously stated i have been away on holiday so progress has stalled due to this and also the earth quake as i have been waiting for my close freind "Shurk" to paint my frame and related parts but as his property was damaged in the quake he has had to make repairs which has held up my painting. Any way last weekend i was able to rebuild my forks including new stauntions seals and bushes.
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I have also been purchasing more parts, i managed to find a new old stock fuel tap while on holiday, also got a set of mufflers from British Spares.
Next Weekends job will be the gearbox so more is to come.
Al
 
grandpaul said:
I'm wondering when the featherbed frame in that era changed from the bolted-up upper rear engine mount to the welded-in-place version (or was it the other way 'round?)

Mine is welded in place, but my friend's is welded up. They are serially in the same year range.

Bolted up rear frames, unless modified, were the wideline. welded up were slimline. HTH
 
Bernard, at some point the bit being discussed changed from bolted to welded.
Nothing to do with bolted rear sub frames, which were 1954 and earlier.

Cheers.
 
After stripping and inspecting the Gearbox which turn out to be suprisingly good apart from these problems- 3rd gear mainshaft was worn and marked.
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so both 3rd gear mainshaft and 3rd gear layshaft have been replaced also replaced were a number of the gear bushes and all the bearings, all ready for assembly-
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Assembly Whent by the book with no problems of course including new O rings for the quadrent mechanism.
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The outer cover was assenbled with lipped seals replacing the kick start and gear change shafts O rings, also a new O ring for the gear indicator shaft and of course gaskets.
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So still i wait for my frame and related sundries to be painted!- shortly I hope!
Al
 
Paint action at last!
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Ready for undercoat.
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And undercoated hopefully by the end of the week Sherk will have the top coat on and i can start to assemble it.
Al
 
Should have had the whole works stove enamelled-it would have lasted far longer than any spray jobbies. :D
 
Bernhard said:
Should have had the whole works stove enamelled-it would have lasted far longer than any spray jobbies. :D

The question is - was the 650SS stoved back in its day. ?

I rather suspect that by then the enamelling ovens had gone, and spraying had taken over.
Haven't been following closely, is this a Bracebridge St or Plumstead made bike ?

Restoring it to something it wasn't is a common 'restoration' mistake.
Besides, most stove enamellers have gone over to powder coating....
 
Bernhard said:
Should have had the whole works stove enamelled-it would have lasted far longer than any spray jobbies. :D

Modern 2K paints (2 pack) are likely to be around for centuries to come, when all old stove enamel has long since all chipped off.

Having to use a chisel to remove some paint off a recent bonnet (hood) showed just how tough this modern stuff is !! Stove enamel, eat your heart out...
 
In the past i have used stove enamel but it shatters exposing the undercoat and is dificult to repear, as you can see the undercoat being used is a 2 pac semi gloss black which was also used on my 70S the advantage being if you do get a stone chip it is not as obvious as the undercoat is also black.
 
The crankcases are at my engineers at present but i do not remember seeing a "p" for Plumsted.
Al
 
The 650ss was manufactured at the original Norton factory on Bracebridge Street only one year: 1962. After that the factory was shut down and production for 1963 and later came from the AMC works.

The 1963 and later Norton Dominator's quickly lost their Bracebridge Street personalities as AMC used up the old stock of parts and made detail changes to cut the cost of producing the bikes as Norton had.

The 1963 SS Nortons looked much like the 1962 models. As stocks of old Bracebridge Street parts ran out, AMC axed the satin chromed fasteners and other parts and switched to 12v electrics.

1964 saw big changes. The chronometric instruments and competition magnetos were gone. Zinc plated fasteners were in. The 88ss green and grey paint scheme was gone and it was painted the same as the 650ss, all black with a silver tank. The steering stop was welded on, a steering lock was added and all front-end parts were altered to fit a wider front tire. The tach drive was pointed straight upwards on a less nicely finished timing cover. The alloy collars on top the fork springs were changed to steel. Fuel tanks had their caps switched to the right side and the speedo in the headlight was phased out in place of mounting the instruments on a bracket above the headlight, first on export bikes then later for the home market.

The 650ss and 88ss were revered in their home market, and that is the only thing that kept them living as long as they did. After the 750 Atlas came to the USA in 1962, it is my guess that the only reason any smaller Dominator Nortons were sold there at all were either to qualify the 88ss for racing, or to fill the Berliner's dealer showrooms when they could not get enough Atlas bikes or there was surplus 650ss bikes that were not selling in England.

The Atlas was probably built mainly as a result of pressure from the USA importer Berliner, who was selling the bulk of Norton production. It was a compromise with it's heavy low-compression pistons giving it low power and more vibration, but it could be advertised as a 750, see it is bigger than a Triumph!

When Doug Hele was hired at the Bracebridge Street works to run the competition department the Dominator twins had their renaissance. He looked at the engine as a possible replacement for the Manx single unit and his development spawned the 650 Manxman, the Domiracer, the SS bikes and a lot of wins in production races.

When AMC axed Bracebridge street, Hele and most all other Norton key people and loyalists quit or lost their jobs.

Though the original Norton works was gone, the 88ss and 650ss stayed on and an argument could be made that they were the last true Nortons. At least they were the last Norton models that were the idea of the original Norton works before big business, money and marketing contaminated then erased what had been the brightest star in England's motorcycling history......
 
Patriotic stirring words Ben, at what hour do we go over the trenchs and attack ?

The other, less prosaic point of view is that the Mini killed off a lot of the domestic mass motorcycle market, to all but the dedicated Clubman type. And the small cramped factory at Bracebridge St /Aston Brook St pre 1963 was only capable of comfortably turning out ~200 motorcycles a week, with worn out old machine tools and doing everything the 'old fashioned way' (stoved frames, satin chromed all custom-made fasteners, highly polished castings, etc). This meant that profit per motorcycle was minimal - a dirty word maybe, but essential for survival in the long term. AND, the activities of the famous Norton Race Shop in Bracebridge St had been draining the coffers of R&D and development funds for many a decade, in that all important single minded pursuit of racing victories. Without those victories though, Nortons would have been a small scale obscure brand, not the racing legend it became. Cheers.
 
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