2030 fossil fuel ban costs in the UK

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Carrington events happen during periods of high solar flare activity, we are currently going through a period of low solar flare activity similar to the Maunder minimum.

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So we have time to get ready for the next time one happens and is pointed at the earth, we would have warning time anyway.
 
Here in the U.K. there is currently talk of limiting times at which EVs can be charged in order to avoid blackouts at peak times.

This got me thinkingā€¦ if limiting EV charging solves the problemā€¦ it means there is actually enough electricity for everything elseā€¦ if this is the case, then there is actually NOT an electricity shortage per se, the actual issue is weā€™ve ā€˜pushedā€˜ EV sales ahead of electricity generating capabilities.

That is not an energy crisis. That is a self inflicted problem caused by unforgivable shortsightedness. Itā€™s like blowing your monthly salary in one day on things you canā€™t afford, and then complaining that your salary is too low.

People have been saying from the beginning that EVs will require more power generation. A lot more. But itā€™s not being done. Meanwhile, EV sales are still being pushed.

As my kids would sayā€¦ DUH !
 
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Tin foil hat on I suppose but Our Leaders seem to see this as a win win. They get you to have to have a battery car AND fewer people can afford one so fewer cars. Those that do have enough for a car will simply have to stump up and pay for the ever increasing fees and taxes.
 
Onder said:
Tin foil hat on I suppose but Our Leaders seem to see this as a win win. They get you to have to have a battery car AND fewer people can afford one so fewer cars. Those that do have enough for a car will simply have to stump up and pay for the ever increasing fees and taxes.
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This is exactly what's happening
If you have enough money for an electric car then great
If you have somewhere to park a car and change it then that's great
I don't have either and an awful lot of people don't have either
But still what does that matter to the people that have?
After all there will be more space on the roads and society will slowly revert backwards to a time when working class people did not own personal transport
Simple!
 
Onder said:
I recently laid out a journey: six and half hours by auto , nineteen by train and bus.
You get the point....
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Ah yes.... But the counter argument there will be that a good portion of the latter two options will be shared by many others travellers, therefore dividing your carbon footprint by said amount.

Just saying :)
 
Onder said:
I recently laid out a journey: six and half hours by auto , nineteen by train and bus.
You get the point....
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This is ok if you have a train or bus option for your destination
 
Well yes but. The but is the three times as long to get there. Even with a lot of free time you now have to pay for a place to stay etc.
 
I have tried drafting a couple of replies, but they all go into P word territory.

But, the 2030 ban refers to no new petrol or diesel cars (and presumably vans). It doesnt spell the immediate end of petrol and diesel fuel athough I would imagine that declining fuel sales will accelerate the closure of petrol stations and thus availability of petrol. 10years? maybe 15 before petrol is unavailable?

The other thing that springs to mind is.... petrol stations are now the local shops, the Texaco where I live is the local shop, and it is much the same in all the nearby villages. If they shut down due to no petrol sales and the shops close, do we all become more dependant on big supermarkets and their delivery vans for our requirements? otherwise I would have a 15m e/w journey to the nearest 'big' town to visit a Morrisons / Tesco etc.
 
daveforty said:
I have tried drafting a couple of replies, but they all go into P word territory.

But, the 2030 ban refers to no new petrol or diesel cars (and presumably vans). It doesnt spell the immediate end of petrol and diesel fuel athough I would imagine that declining fuel sales will accelerate the closure of petrol stations and thus availability of petrol. 10years? maybe 15 before petrol is unavailable?

The other thing that springs to mind is.... petrol stations are now the local shops, the Texaco where I live is the local shop, and it is much the same in all the nearby villages. If they shut down due to no petrol sales and the shops close, do we all become more dependant on big supermarkets and their delivery vans for our requirements? otherwise I would have a 15m e/w journey to the nearest 'big' town to visit a Morrisons / Tesco etc.
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It has just not been thought through in a joined up way. Simple as that.
 
Onder said:
Well yes but. The but is the three times as long to get there. Even with a lot of free time you now have to pay for a place to stay etc.
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Or if like me you need to get to work and there is no public transport
 
daveforty said:
I have tried drafting a couple of replies, but they all go into P word territory.

But, the 2030 ban refers to no new petrol or diesel cars (and presumably vans). It doesnt spell the immediate end of petrol and diesel fuel athough I would imagine that declining fuel sales will accelerate the closure of petrol stations and thus availability of petrol. 10years? maybe 15 before petrol is unavailable?

The other thing that springs to mind is.... petrol stations are now the local shops, the Texaco where I live is the local shop, and it is much the same in all the nearby villages. If they shut down due to no petrol sales and the shops close, do we all become more dependant on big supermarkets and their delivery vans for our requirements? otherwise I would have a 15m e/w journey to the nearest 'big' town to visit a Morrisons / Tesco etc.
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Yes it's a ban on new petrol/ diesel vehicles being built after 2030
So older vehicles will still be about for a while
Well until they are banned or taxed off the road I guess
Or fuel just becomes too expensive
Or maybe common sense will prevail and all this is reversed until we can generate enough electricity in a completely sustainable way
And build batteries in a sustainable way
 
baz said:
Yes it's a ban on new petrol/ diesel vehicles being built after 2030
So older vehicles will still be about for a while
Well until they are banned or taxed off the road I guess
Or fuel just becomes too expensive
Or maybe common sense will prevail and all this is reversed until we can generate enough electricity in a completely sustainable way
And build batteries in a sustainable way
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What happened to our powers at Bs....push for the use bio fuel diesel.....well thats what we once had to consider that was on the table....also.environmentally friendly
Seems that alternative goes against their climate cult
 
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And therein lies the problem with it all, fragmented thinking and policies determined by voiciferous single-issue pressure groups.
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There is no thinking joined up or otherwise,they donā€™t want us on the road EV or combustion engines. Itā€™s a control exercise. Need to know where everyone is ID cards complete control.
 
KiwiShane said:
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If carbon dioxide is so bad for the planet, why do greenhouse growers buy CO2 generators to double plant growth?

(NaturalNews) For only ā€œpennies a day,ā€ any greenhouse owner can produce CO2 to help increase plant yields in their greenhouses. Thatā€™s the message on CO2 generators sold by greenā€¦
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This is completely true.
Weā€™re being told C02 is a poison, and this couldnā€™t be further from the truth, without it there would be no life on Earth.
 
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