2030 fossil fuel ban costs in the UK

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In the UK public transport services have been severely cut back
The cost of public transport is extremely high and overcrowded
Bus garages that have changed over to electric cannot charge the buses without running huge diesel generators in their depot
For many myself included I would not be able to get to work without private transport
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Totally agree and totally impractical..the Woke regional council in my city have had empty busses driving aimlessly around for years with obscure tinted glasses to try and hide the empty seats..now they got a few empty electric ones...I can see the benefit in a big city for office workers or general passengers...but thats about it....and they are still empty
 
NPeteN said:
Cars in cities are a nuisance.
I own three cars and 3 motorcycles and I live in a city.
It's ridiculous and completely stupid, but I cannot help myself.
So I am moving to the countryside in April.
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Setting aside whether or not it’s the right thing to do for a moment, and assuming that it is, then it has to be done in a sustainable manner.

It cannot be right to make sudden changes, that prevent doctors, nurses, teachers getting to work… pupils getting to school, shoppers getting to shops, that put untold businesses out of business… that suddenly put home owners in areas that they did not decide to be in… etc.

Oxford is a fascinating example. There is a new shopping centre in the centre, complete with huge car park for the shoppers… now the same people that authorised that are trying to ban cars from being able to access the very facility they created !

The sensible alternatives MUST be provided first, ie better public transport… business parks outside of the city limit… etc. And then plenty of notice given, and the changes implemented gradually, in order for people to be able to accommodate the change.

You‘ve also got to think about inner city planning, once the businesses have died and the people have left, you’ve got an inner city ghost town. You’ve also got a local authority with massively reduced income, frankly without the tax and rates from businesses and shops, I’d wager that Oxford City Council would be bankrupt (but they’d then just turn that into a ‘lack of funding from the government‘ argument) !

If you just plough ahead, destroying peoples lives in the process, how on earth do you expect to keep the public on board ??

Without people on board, resentment will rise at some point and the whole thing will backfire.
 
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KiwiShane said:
Totally agree and totally impractical..the Woke regional council in my city have had empty busses driving aimlessly around for years with obscure tinted glasses to try and hide the empty seats..now they got a few empty electric ones...I can see the benefit in a big city for office workers or general passengers...but thats about it....and they are still empty
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I saw something amazing the other day
Someone was cycling on one of our many many cycle lanes !
 
Fast Eddie said:
Setting aside whether or not it’s the right thing to do for a moment, and assuming that it is, then it has to be done in a sustainable manner.

It cannot be right to make sudden changes, that prevent doctors, nurses, teachers getting to work… pupils getting to school, shoppers getting to shops, that put untold businesses out of business… that suddenly put home owners in areas that they did not decide to be in… etc.

Oxford is a fascinating example. There is a new shopping centre in the centre, complete with huge car park for the shoppers… now the same people that authorised that are trying to ban cars from being able to access the very facility they created !

The sensible alternatives MUST be provided first, ie better public transport… business parks outside of the city limit… etc. And then plenty of notice given, and the changes implemented gradually, in order for people to be able to accommodate the change.

If you just plough ahead, destroying peoples lives in the process, how on earth do you expect to keep the public on board ??
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I watched a video recently about Oxford County Council describing some of the strategies they have installed for the citizens of this area...it didn't sound very encouraging...zoning etc.
 
Fast Eddie said:
Setting aside whether or not it’s the right thing to do for a moment, and assuming that it is, then it has to be done in a sustainable manner.

It cannot be right to make sudden changes, that prevent doctors, nurses, teachers getting to work… pupils getting to school, shoppers getting to shops, that put untold businesses out of business… that suddenly put home owners in areas that they did not decide to be in… etc.

Oxford is a fascinating example. There is a new shopping centre in the centre, complete with huge car park for the shoppers… now the same people that authorised that are trying to ban cars from being able to access the very facility they created !

The sensible alternatives MUST be provided first, ie better public transport… business parks outside of the city limit… etc. And then plenty of notice given, and the changes implemented gradually, in order for people to be able to accommodate the change.

You‘ve also got to think about inner city planning, once the businesses have died and the people have left, you’ve got an inner city ghost town. You’ve also got a local authority with massively reduced income, frankly without the tax and rates from businesses and shops, I’d wager that Oxford City Council would be bankrupt (but they’d then just turn that into a ‘lack of funding from the government‘ argument) !

If you just plough ahead, destroying peoples lives in the process, how on earth do you expect to keep the public on board ??

Without people on board, resentment will rise at some point and the whole thing will backfire.
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Is this the same part of the country you mentioned ?
www.bbc.com

Oxfordshire County Council approves £6.5m traffic filter scheme

It hopes walking, cycling, and public and shared transport will become the "natural first choice".
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
KiwiShane said:
I watched a video recently about Oxford County Council describing some of the strategies they have installed for the citizens of this area...it didn't sound very encouraging...zoning etc.
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I live in Oxford, we moved here because of the kids schooling.

Our original plan was to stay here forever, retire here, nice city, good facilities, close to the nice Oxfordshire countryside.

We are now planning to move out when the kids have finished school. It will not be a nice place to live.

There is a school of thought that Oxford is trying to make the whole city into a giant University campus (as it used to be).

Perhaps they‘ll reinstate the city walls and gate to keep the serfs out and the elites safe ?
 
Fast Eddie said:
I live in Oxford, we moved here because of the kids schooling.

Our original plan was to stay here forever, retire here, nice city, good facilities, close to the nice Oxfordshire countryside.

We are now planning to move out when the kids have finished school. It will not be a nice place to live.

There is a school of thought that Oxford is trying to make the whole city into a giant University campus (as it used to be).

Perhaps they‘ll reinstate the city walls and gate to keep the serfs out and the elites safe ?
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Hopefully when your children graduate you will find a better place to live and enjoy...it won't be long and the powers that b will try to implement the same course of action here ...
 
www.nzherald.co.nz

Govt to ban new fossil fuel electricity generation

New coal and gas electricity generation ban unveiled with large Govt funding pledge.
www.nzherald.co.nz www.nzherald.co.nz
And then when they don't like what the people have to say they about stuff they shut the voice of the people down...well they just got caught...
 

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It's surprising what small changes make a big difference
On my usual commute to work there is a tee junction
As you get to junction it was wide enough for traffic to turn left or right
The bulk of the traffic turning left
But now the road has been narrowed so you have to queue up to turn left or right
This is now causing a traffic jam every day with standing traffic outside people's houses
I often wonder why would road planners want this ?
 
baz said:
It's surprising what small changes make a big difference
On my usual commute to work there is a tee junction
As you get to junction it was wide enough for traffic to turn left or right
The bulk of the traffic turning left
But now the road has been narrowed so you have to queue up to turn left or right
This is now causing a traffic jam every day with standing traffic outside people's houses
I often wonder why would road planners want this ?
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Oxford is full of examples like that, including traffic lights on roundabouts that force traffic to wait even though there is nothing coming, utterly undoing the entire purpose of a roundabout. Massive central reservations, that reduce the carriage way so much that they then create ‘no over taking of cyclists‘ rules. etc, etc.

I have often thought ‘don’t the planners ever use the roads that they create’ ?!

Then it dawned on me. I have concluded the following… and I am absolutely serious:

They are deliberately trying to make use of cars less convenient, making congestion worse in order to create the case for their desired, more radical, congestion reducing measures.

So, basically, rather than make alternative solutions that are better than cars, they are deliberately and artificially making cars more inconvenient.

Thats progress huh ?!
 
baz said:
It's surprising what small changes make a big difference
On my usual commute to work there is a tee junction
As you get to junction it was wide enough for traffic to turn left or right
The bulk of the traffic turning left
But now the road has been narrowed so you have to queue up to turn left or right
This is now causing a traffic jam every day with standing traffic outside people's houses
I often wonder why would road planners want this ?
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Our main road of our city has been dug up for months to install new sewer lines hence to accommodate modern tenement type blocks ...congestion to the macker...once they finish that they will be running bus lanes down each side where once business customers parked outside ....the road planners here need shooting with a ball of their own sh*t....but blatantly obvious what their end game wants to achieve
 
KiwiShane said:
Our main road of our city has been dug up for months to install new sewer lines hence to accommodate modern tenement type blocks ...congestion to the macker...once they finish that they will be running bus lanes down each side where once business customers parked outside ....the road planners here need shooting with a ball of their own sh*t....but blatantly obvious what their end game wants to achieve
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Small shops and businesses are being decimated here losing passing trade from road restrictions, cycle lanes etc
 
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When were all of these roads first laid down? Most everywhere in horse and buggy days.

All told, there were 7.5 million cars in the U.S. as of 1922.

By 1929 there were more than 150,000 on the road in New Zealand, one car for every 10 people. Second only to the US (1:5, 24.4M cars and ahead of Australia (1:15, 430,000 cars) and Britain (1:47, 973,000 cars).

There are about 1.446 billion vehicles on Earth in 2022. About 19% of those vehicles are in the United States.

America's airline industry expanded from carrying only 6,000 passengers in 1929 to 674 million passengers in 2021.

In 2021, due to the coronavirus pandemic, the estimated number of scheduled passengers boarded by the global airline industry amounted to just over 2.2 billion people. This represents a 50 percent loss in global air passenger traffic compared to 2019.

Something has to give.
 
gortnipper said:
When were all of these roads first laid down? Most everywhere in horse and buggy days.

All told, there were 7.5 million cars in the U.S. as of 1922.

By 1929 there were more than 150,000 on the road in New Zealand, one car for every 10 people. Second only to the US (1:5, 24.4M cars and ahead of Australia (1:15, 430,000 cars) and Britain (1:47, 973,000 cars).

There are about 1.446 billion vehicles on Earth in 2022. About 19% of those vehicles are in the United States.

America's airline industry expanded from carrying only 6,000 passengers in 1929 to 674 million passengers in 2021.

In 2021, due to the coronavirus pandemic, the estimated number of scheduled passengers boarded by the global airline industry amounted to just over 2.2 billion people. This represents a 50 percent loss in global air passenger traffic compared to 2019.

Something has to give.
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I'm not sure what point you are making?
 
KiwiShane said:
Is this real..??
This is one of many articles that I've seen circulating...A climate lockdown proposal now...the next emergency control operation ...as I have mentioned in the past and of late

www.visionnews.online

Oxfordshire County Council Pass Climate Lockdown 'trial' to Begin in 2024

Residents will be confined to their local neighbourhood and have to ask permission to leave it all to 'save the planet'.
www.visionnews.online www.visionnews.online
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I'm hoping for all our sakes it's fake
But the way things are going nothing surprises me
 
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