1971 Moto Guzzi Nuovo Falcone

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Hi Lads,

Just back from a Bike Show. They had a custom competition with the usual choppers and bobbers etc. but this Moto Guzzi caught my eye. The engineering work done is amazing. There's some VERY talented Irish bike builders! (Phone pics so low quality!!!)






















I also thought this was quite unusal, a diesel powered motorbike!:

 
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Falcone looks like one of those Honda thingies, on steroids !!
Interessssing but...
 

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Rohan said:
Falcone looks like one of those Honda thingies, on steroids !!
Interessssing but...
I know what you mean, I'd hate to ride the bike, but the level of engineering work was fantastic, everything seemed to be a one off bespoke part, amazing.
 
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These horizontal 2 smoke MotoGuzz's won the races for a few years in a row durring the era of over powered over heavy inline 4 power plants, showing lightness was right ness.
 
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I know what you mean, I'd hate to ride the bike, but the level of engineering work was fantastic, everything seemed to be a one off bespoke part, amazing.
I'd second that, Kevin :) I was there yesterday and saw the bike. The detailing and finish were very good. He also presented a Ducati Pantah which had some similar features.

I can't understand customs myself, but each to his own. They are more like modern art 'installations', but some of them are better than the crap I've seen in modern art galleries. It would be great to see this guy's skill devoted to making functional and well-finished parts for functional motorcycles. Oh well...

Again at the show yesterday, George Beale brought along his replica Honda 6 and started it up. Did this happen today as well?

I was so preoccupied talking to people I hadn't seen in a while that I didn't get to examine it close up before I ran out of time, but the fairing was on, so we couldn't see much anyway. Here's a link about it, in case anyone's interested: http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/featu ... ewall.html

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hobot said:
These horizontal 2 smoke MotoGuzz's won the races for a few years in a row durring the era of over powered over heavy inline 4 power plants, showing lightness was right ness.
We are not aware Guzzi ever made big 2 strokes Steve, those things were 4 stroke !!
(And ohc in some of them, way back to the 1920s even)
The 4 stroke laydown Gutzi singles won several WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS in the early 1950s.
Along with their V-twins, inline4s and the V8 winning a few assorted races along the way....

The remade Manx Norton F types were set to follow suit (laydown (Flat) engine) in the mid-1950s,
but Nortons (and other manufacturers) pulled out of GP racing about then,
with a big slump in worldwide bike sales...

Hopethishelps
 

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daveh said:
click said:
I know what you mean, I'd hate to ride the bike, but the level of engineering work was fantastic, everything seemed to be a one off bespoke part, amazing.
I'd second that, Kevin :) I was there yesterday and saw the bike. The detailing and finish were very good. He also presented a Ducati Pantah which had some similar features.

I can't understand customs myself, but each to his own. They are more like modern art 'installations', but some of them are better than the crap I've seen in modern art galleries. It would be great to see this guy's skill devoted to making functional and well-finished parts for functional motorcycles. Oh well...

Again at the show yesterday, George Beale brought along his replica Honda 6 and started it up. Did this happen today as well?

I was so preoccupied talking to people I hadn't seen in a while that I didn't get to examine it close up before I ran out of time, but the fairing was on, so we couldn't see much anyway. Here's a link about it, in case anyone's interested: http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/featu ... ewall.html

Dave
Hi Dave,

Yes, the Honda 6 was blasting sweet sound all over the RDS, very unusual rhort from the exhausts, all 6 of them :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
 
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I like the frame, forks and tank and suspension on the Falcone. However if the guy had made it look like a prototype racer , I could see more sense in it. The wheels and brakes are horrible. Some thing like that really needs to be raced so the required development could shape the bike. There is something about it which is very pleasant.
 
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Rohan said:
hobot said:
These horizontal 2 smoke MotoGuzz's won the races for a few years in a row durring the era of over powered over heavy inline 4 power plants, showing lightness was right ness.
We are not aware Guzzi ever made big 2 strokes Steve, those things were 4 stroke !!
(And ohc in some of them, way back to the 1920s even)
The 4 stroke laydown Gutzi singles won several WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS in the early 1950s.
Along with their V-twins, inline4s and the V8 winning a few assorted races along the way....

The remade Manx Norton F types were set to follow suit (laydown (Flat) engine) in the mid-1950s,
but Nortons (and other manufacturers) pulled out of GP racing about then,
with a big slump in worldwide bike sales...Hopethishelps
M.G. did not, as far as I am aware, make big four strokes but….

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Bernhard said:
M.G. did not, as far as I am aware, make big four strokes but….
So are you saying this thing is a 2 stroke ???!!!
Or that 500cc was not 'big', for the time....
 
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Click, thanks for posting those pics.
Here the NF I had for some years and still is in my heart. Was a blue carbinieri bike imported from Italy.
They sure can be hotted up and when lightened allover compete with goldstars and the like.



 
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acotrel said:
I like the frame, forks and tank and suspension on the Falcone. However if the guy had made it look like a prototype racer , I could see more sense in it. The wheels and brakes are horrible. Some thing like that really needs to be raced so the required development could shape the bike. There is something about it which is very pleasant.
It's not a race bike. It's a show bike. Not to be ridden. :roll:
 
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Rohan said:
hobot said:
These horizontal 2 smoke MotoGuzz's won the races for a few years in a row durring the era of over powered over heavy inline 4 power plants, showing lightness was right ness.
We are not aware Guzzi ever made big 2 strokes Steve, those things were 4 stroke !!
(And ohc in some of them, way back to the 1920s even)
The 4 stroke laydown Gutzi singles won several WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS in the early 1950s.
Along with their V-twins, inline4s and the V8 winning a few assorted races along the way....

The remade Manx Norton F types were set to follow suit (laydown (Flat) engine) in the mid-1950s,
but Nortons (and other manufacturers) pulled out of GP racing about then,
with a big slump in worldwide bike sales...

Hopethishelps


Similar layout. I can see the confusion.
 
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swooshdave said:


Similar layout. I can see the confusion.
Maybe...
I suppose you could confuse a 125cc BSA Bantam with a BSA Goldstar too, if you tried hard enough... ?
 
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acotrel said:
I like the frame, forks and tank and suspension on the Falcone. However if the guy had made it look like a prototype racer , I could see more sense in it. The wheels and brakes are horrible. Some thing like that really needs to be raced so the required development could shape the bike. There is something about it which is very pleasant.
Be fair, the Falcone was a road bike version - and as a slow old slogger would have been completely out of character as a racer.

We hope that someone is aware too that the ohc race version of this thing, in 350cc form, took out 2 successive world GP championship series back in the 1950s.
More than the manx Nortons did at the same time. 2 more...

The Manxes for 1954 were going to have a laydown motor - the laydown F type manx (F for Flat motor). Guess where they got that idea from ?
Before financial concerns killed that project.

 
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Moto Guzzi made many types of racing machines starting in the 1920's.
C 2V,,GT 2VT,,, a 4 valve 500cc, C4V TT & 4V SS in the late 1920's ,,, A TT-250 single racer up into the 1940's ,,,In the late 30' they even had a 250 with a Cozette blower on it used for racing. The blown 250 with a sidecar set a speed record in 1952 of 221.226km.
Their first supercharged bike was a 4 cylinder 500cc back in 1930, Quattro Cilindri 500.
In 1933 they did a 120 degree V-twin, Bicilindrica 500cc engine taking doubling up two 250cc cylinders.
You can look up these guzzi model names and see for yourself the Italians really liked to race.
Condor 500,,Albatros 250 ,, the 3 cylinder from 1940, Tre Cilindri 500cc,,,, they even did a supercharged version of the 3 cyl.
Dondolino 500cc,,,Gambalunga 500cc ,,, Gambalunghino 250cc,,, Quattro Cilindri 500cc 1952-1954.
They had a SOHC 350 and a twin cam 350 in the 1950's. The best for last the Otto Cilindri 500cc, V8 !!!

Tim_S
1935 GTS 500
1947 Super Alce,,military
1959 Falcone ,,Turismo
 
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The differences between road bike versions and racers were not so great in the 50s. I saw the 350 Guzzi racer at Phillip island a few years ago and it was to die for. An historic racer built out of a Falcone would not be all bad. Could be as good as a long stroke manx ? The trouble would lie in getting bits for it.
 
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The Falcone was a low revving old slogger, and the racer an ohc, well, racer. With lotsa magnesium bits.
Turning a sows ear into a silk purse always involves needing a bit of magic. ?

Although that said, some ES2's these days are pushing manx territory, so anything is possible.

This is Guzzi's racer, prewar and just postwar - a wide angle 500cc ohc v-twin.
Any resemblance between this and the road bikes is purely an accident ?

 
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When I was a kid a car dealer in Melbourne had a Veetwin 500cc Guzzi racer in his showroom window. I think it eventually returned to Europe. Building an historic racer out of a falcone is completely feasible. I've seen a 250 Morini racer which was built out of a road bike, it looked really genuine. Also an NSU350 which looks exactly like a Rennsport. The problem with building a falcone racer would not lie in getting it to go fast, it would be in the fact that the bikes were not common outside Europe or North Africa. Also Guzzi were smart enough to keep the genuine racers out of the hands of privateers, so getting the detail correct would be difficult.
 
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