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I think it’s be interesting to add some statistics into the mix.
I know I’ve said it before but I find it interesting that we always look through the lens of our own countries as to regards what motorcycle marques will make,
We’ve gotta remember TVS is an Indian company now like RE,
In the USA annually 500,000 or so motorcycles are sold.
In the UK jan to September 2024 163,000.
One of the top selling bikes in the UK for a while has been the Triumph 400 range,
In Europe 2024 inc the UK 1.155.640.
In India an this is where it’s interesting 2025 is on track for = 18.43 million motorcycles, that’s India alone without the rest of the none Europe / US countries,
36.78 billion USD a year for the Indian Market.
6.94 billion USD a year for the American Market.
Reference from:
www.statista.com
An British Dealer news for EU and UK.
Now as a younger rider in there 30s who’s had Nortons since I was 22 has lots of mates my age who also ride classics.
An once my 1927 an 650ss are sold to help fund my dads care with his stage 3b/4 prostate cancer.
My only and newest classic is gonna be a 1944 WW2 Norton WD16H otherwise I’d still have 4 Nortons a not 1.
I think itl be interesting to see what happens,
As someone who’s had 40 bikes in the past 18 years from all different marques and all different ends of the spectrum.
Modern bike wise I ride a Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 superb bit of kit (speaking as someone who had the 411 and all the rival small cc modern bikes) as well as superbikes, Triumph 675 Triple ex iom tt race bikes, an all the big adventure bikes to.
It’s the small CC bike that’s absolutely amazed me in how they made it as a package an it’s a quantum leap from what the 411 is so if Enfield can do that I’m sure TVS will be aiming for similar, with the hopefully Prestige the Norton name adds over there.
A lot of my Indian friends are obsessed with the former British brands. An as an Indian brand in TVS now I can see why they bought the trademark.
Personally I reckon they should start putting Indian flags on both Marques and be proud of the new heritage going forward. I know a few of my Indian friends have said that about RE and I agree.
In India the 450 class is a big deal, and the same for other countries, the emerging markets as some call them are representative of the biggest Growth, Honda sold 20 million motorcycles alone last year globally, Royal Enfield 1 million,
Looking at the statistics it’s clear to see the majority of Hondas sales wouldn’t have been EU/USA.
It wouldn’t surprise me if TVS go down a similar route to other brands Halo product lines ‘designed in the uk’ an most built in the Indian Factories,
Itl be interesting to see what happens with the new lineup when it comes out, I’m not the greatest fan of how things were handled as friends struggled getting 961 bits, (was nearly a 961 owner myself) an I had a big gripe about that when someone grabbed me on the Norton Stand a few years ago,
An as to young riders who want a Norton an a 450 I’ll be keeping an eye on it but RE, Triumph and BMW have a big strong hold with people my age, in the small Uk market at least, itl be interesting to see how this 450 engine shapes up from what I’ve read on the BMW side it’s using a unique never used before firing order. That can either be a good thing or a disaster so only time will tell.
So while we are all speculating that’s the ones I’m curious an interested about the 450’s to see if they can add anything new to the conversation or if itl be a carbon copy of the BMW F450GS without the parts supply of BMW personally I feel the parts supply with regards to dealer network will be the critical component.
In closing I think itl be interesting to see what happens an where it all sits in the market place.
I know I’ve said it before but I find it interesting that we always look through the lens of our own countries as to regards what motorcycle marques will make,
We’ve gotta remember TVS is an Indian company now like RE,
In the USA annually 500,000 or so motorcycles are sold.
In the UK jan to September 2024 163,000.
One of the top selling bikes in the UK for a while has been the Triumph 400 range,
In Europe 2024 inc the UK 1.155.640.
In India an this is where it’s interesting 2025 is on track for = 18.43 million motorcycles, that’s India alone without the rest of the none Europe / US countries,
36.78 billion USD a year for the Indian Market.
6.94 billion USD a year for the American Market.
Reference from:
Motorcycles - India | Statista Market Forecast
India: The Motorcycles market in India is projected to reach a revenue of US$36.78bn by 2025. The Motorcycles Market provides information about motorcycles and their respective makes.
www.statista.com
An British Dealer news for EU and UK.
Now as a younger rider in there 30s who’s had Nortons since I was 22 has lots of mates my age who also ride classics.
An once my 1927 an 650ss are sold to help fund my dads care with his stage 3b/4 prostate cancer.
My only and newest classic is gonna be a 1944 WW2 Norton WD16H otherwise I’d still have 4 Nortons a not 1.
I think itl be interesting to see what happens,
As someone who’s had 40 bikes in the past 18 years from all different marques and all different ends of the spectrum.
Modern bike wise I ride a Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 superb bit of kit (speaking as someone who had the 411 and all the rival small cc modern bikes) as well as superbikes, Triumph 675 Triple ex iom tt race bikes, an all the big adventure bikes to.
It’s the small CC bike that’s absolutely amazed me in how they made it as a package an it’s a quantum leap from what the 411 is so if Enfield can do that I’m sure TVS will be aiming for similar, with the hopefully Prestige the Norton name adds over there.
A lot of my Indian friends are obsessed with the former British brands. An as an Indian brand in TVS now I can see why they bought the trademark.
Personally I reckon they should start putting Indian flags on both Marques and be proud of the new heritage going forward. I know a few of my Indian friends have said that about RE and I agree.
In India the 450 class is a big deal, and the same for other countries, the emerging markets as some call them are representative of the biggest Growth, Honda sold 20 million motorcycles alone last year globally, Royal Enfield 1 million,
Looking at the statistics it’s clear to see the majority of Hondas sales wouldn’t have been EU/USA.
It wouldn’t surprise me if TVS go down a similar route to other brands Halo product lines ‘designed in the uk’ an most built in the Indian Factories,
Itl be interesting to see what happens with the new lineup when it comes out, I’m not the greatest fan of how things were handled as friends struggled getting 961 bits, (was nearly a 961 owner myself) an I had a big gripe about that when someone grabbed me on the Norton Stand a few years ago,
An as to young riders who want a Norton an a 450 I’ll be keeping an eye on it but RE, Triumph and BMW have a big strong hold with people my age, in the small Uk market at least, itl be interesting to see how this 450 engine shapes up from what I’ve read on the BMW side it’s using a unique never used before firing order. That can either be a good thing or a disaster so only time will tell.
So while we are all speculating that’s the ones I’m curious an interested about the 450’s to see if they can add anything new to the conversation or if itl be a carbon copy of the BMW F450GS without the parts supply of BMW personally I feel the parts supply with regards to dealer network will be the critical component.
In closing I think itl be interesting to see what happens an where it all sits in the market place.
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