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Weak links

Discussion in 'Norton Commando Motorcycles (Classic)' started by Fast Eddie, Apr 15, 2018.

  1. 84ok

    84ok

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  2. 84ok

    84ok

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    Commando Head stud thread..

    https://www.accessnorton.com/NortonCommando/commando-head-stud-thread-2016.20892/#post-311789
    https://www.accessnorton.com/NortonCommando/commando-head-stud-thread-2016.20892/#post-311790

    https://www.accessnorton.com/NortonCommando/commando-head-stud-thread-2016.20892/#post-311791
     
  3. 84ok

    84ok

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    Cracked RH4

    https://www.accessnorton.com/NortonCommando/cracked-rh4.18564/page-2#post-276819
    https://www.accessnorton.com/NortonCommando/cracked-rh4.18564/page-2#post-276822
    https://www.accessnorton.com/NortonCommando/cracked-rh4.18564/page-2#post-276823
     
  4. Fast Eddie

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    Gents,

    This thread rapidly turned into something way outside of my intended scope!

    Authoring / moderating / administrating something of this nature is way outside my ability and, frankly, level of interest.

    So, as they like to say in Dragons Den; “I’m out”.

    If anyone else wishes to pick up the baton, please feel free...
     
  5. SteveA

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    Each person would have his own list, I would not argue with Fast Eddie's or yours......but...... some of the comments are made with reference to modern standards, not those prevalent in 1969/70.....

    For example, your 'Mediocre non-serviceable rear shocks' were industry standard and better than those fitted to the Japanese competition at the time! And you didn't really need to service them when new ones were readily available and economic.

    Similarly whilst I may recognise the limitations of Roadholders in comparison to my current Maxton cartridge forks, in 1975 even, the whole suspension was more than capable of winning a Production race and regularly did!
     
  6. oldmikew

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    [QUOTE="SteveA, post: 375240, member: 3746

    For example, your 'Mediocre non-serviceable rear shocks' were industry standard and better than those fitted to the Japanese competition at the time! And you didn't really need to service them when new ones were readily available and economic.
    [/QUOTE]

    Indeed the Girlings fitted to my Commando are still in use on my ES2
     
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  7. Mr. Rick

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    Steve, Mike: Yes, I certainly was using "modern-day" standards with reference to "weak links" in the overall sense.
    The Girling rear shocks were prob okay for the period, but I have the impression (and no first-hand knowledge or experience) that the Koni units, as fitted to the Guzzi of the same period, were regarded as much better. Is that not correct?
     
  8. oldmikew

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    Well I have Konis on mine ,but hand on heart I cannot say they are any better than the Girlings were when new. A source of some dispointment ,for the engine gearbox swinging arm unit connects to the frame through the suspension legs . Konis do seem more substantial but it didnt seem to make any difference. Could be wrong but Konis were not available in the UK when the Commando was launched.
     
  9. SteveA

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    I think Konis were available for Nortons in the '70s, but retail they were expensive compared to Girling. I 'uprated' Girlings by going to Girling Gas, yes an improvement, but more overall because I chose longer units for my Rickman!. We didn't feel there was much in it, but if I recall well Koni were always rebuildable. Most Commando based racers were on Girlings then, easily bought from a Norton dealer or aftermarket supplier.

    And of course the pricing to Norton of a locally manufactured item in volume, compared to an imported item probably with less discounting would have made the choice very easy.

    Guzzi could have chosen an Italian product, I guess I am somewhat surprised they didn't, but a Guzzi sold at a significant premium over a Commando in the UK in the '70s!
     
  10. kommando

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    The Koni 76 series have adjustable rebound damping but you have to remove the spring to adjust, the 7610 series have the rebound adjuster on the dial at the top. Until you adjust the rebound to suit they will be no different to a Girling.
     
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